Digital health passports: The snare that will lure many into the one-world cashless system

Several new technologies that appear separate and unrelated will soon converge, creating a giant digital trap that will easily entice the uninformed masses.

The digital trap has already been set and globalist elites are using COVID to speed up the process of convergence. Most people will sleep-walk right into the trap, which will ultimately reduce them to a human QR code – trackable, traceable, and 100 percent dependent on Big Tech and big government for their existence.

I’m going to unpack each of these seemingly separate threads that will be gradually merged into a single overarching socio-financial control grid.

The most imminent agenda item needed to jumpstart this system is a successful launch of digital health passports.

France, Italy, Ireland, Germany, Greece and many other nations have started mandating these passports on their citizens, many of whom are flooding into the streets to protest.

Citizens protest health passports in more than 150 cities throughout France.

The movement toward digital health passports in the U.S. is happening more gradually but it’s picking up steam.  

In a briefing Monday, Aug. 2, Biden’s Coronavirus Response Coordinator Jeffrey Zients announced “it’s time to impose some requirements” where COVID vaccines are concerned.

When asked for clarification on exactly what COVID rules might be implemented, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said nothing is off the table.

Remember that phrase: Nothing is off the table.

This could involve rounding up the unvaccinated and placing them in isolation and quarantine camps.

An academic consortium consisting of six universities already has a contract with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to provide training for government, law enforcement, healthcare and private-sector stakeholders on how to quarantine “large portions” of rural communities.

But the drive to digitize the lives of Americans will start in the cities and move outward.

New York Mayor Bill de Blasio became the first politician to jump at the opportunity to demand vaccine passports.

Despite what anyone tries to tell you, separating Americans by vaccine status is a historic first. It has never before been tried, not through the polio or smallpox outbreaks of the 1920s, 30s and 40s, not during the Spanish Flu. Not ever.

De Blasio ordered businesses to deny service to the unvaccinated, which accounts for 30 percent of the city’s population. It remains to be seen how de Blasio will enforce this edict. Will he call out the police to shut down businesses not demanding a show of papers from their customers?

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is also shooting for vaccine passport mandates statewide but knows he has to be a little more diplomatic in his approach.

“Private businesses, I am asking them and suggesting to them, go to vaccine-only admission. Go to vaccine-only admission,” Cuomo said in an Aug. 2 press conference.

“I believe it’s in your own business interest,” he said, “to run a vaccine-only establishment…. We have apps, just say, ‘you have to show that you were vaccinated when you walk in the door.'”

In other words, “Show your papers.”

Think about what Cuomo is saying here.

He is very forcefully “asking” business owners to eliminate 30 percent the state’s population from their field of potential customers and treat them as non-persons.

This is pure fascism and reminds one of the Nazi propaganda that coerced Germans to refuse to do business with Jews.

If New York’s business owners listened to Cuomo, they would make it impossible for non-vaxxed people to feed their children.

Learn your medical rights as an employee, student, etc., and how to ‘say no to the needle’ at Peggy Hall’s HealthyAmerican.org

The digital passports require people to download a scannable QR code on their cellphone that will allow businesses to know they’ve been vaxxed before they are allowed to enter and receive service [buy or sell].

That leads us to the second leg of the digital trap that is baking in the technological oven – a new global digital ID system that is capable of working in conjunction with the digital health passports and the new medical-vaccination complex.

The leader in this stream of tech is the ID2020 Alliance, a collaborative of more than 35 members including Accenture, Microsoft, the Rockefeller Foundation, MasterCard, IBM, the International Chamber of Commerce, MIT SafePaths and Bill Gates’ GAVI Global Vaccines Alliance.

In February 2021, ID2020 launched the Good Health Pass Collaborative to encourage a seamless convergence of all the COVID-19 vaccine credentialing apps being developed by many different organizations.

“Paper vaccine certificates can be easily forged,” the ID2020 Alliance warns in a press release. “The purpose of health credentials is to securely prove that a person has received a vaccine or PCR test. The new alliance is particularly targeting travel to ensure credentials work cross-border, cross-industry and are frictionless.”

The alliance has published a white paper on the topic for those seeking more details.

Yet another piece to the evolving techno-fascist puzzle is the new digital currency.

The world’s central banks are working on a programmable digital currency based on block chain technology. This means they will be able to track your spending and shut you off for any reason.

The International Monetary Fund posted an article on its website in July lauding India as a global leader in the drive to eliminate cash. And of course COVID was mentioned as expediting the move away from paper money. The IMF noted:

“COVID-19 has accelerated the use of contactless digital payments for small transactions as people try to protect themselves from the virus. These advances build on the India Stack—a comprehensive digital identity, payment, and data-management system that we write about in a new paper (Carrière-Swallow, Haksar, and Patnam 2021).”

As you can see in the above statement, the goal is a comprehensive digital identity, combining one’s health data and vaccine status with banking and other personally identifiable data.

Klaus Schwab warned us ahead of time about the trap he and his elitist buddies were setting for us.

“The Fourth Industrial Revolution will lead to a fusion of our physical, biological and digital identities,” Schwab told the Chicago Council on Global Affairs in November 2020.

Even before that, in his 2018 book, Shaping the Future of The Fourth Industrial Revolution, Schwab wrote:

“Fourth Industrial Revolution technologies will not stop at becoming part of the physical world around us—they will become part of us.

“Indeed, some of us already feel that our smartphones have become an extension of ourselves. Today’s external devices—from wearable computers to virtual reality headsets—will almost certainly become implantable in our bodies and brains.”

When he penned these grandiose ideas in 2018, it seemed like the pie in the sky musings of an out of touch futurist and few paid attention. Post COVID, it’s in our faces and ready to be implemented.

The final leg of the technological program to control humanity is the Big Tech giants working together to scrub all dissident voices from the Internet. Their ultimate goal is to create a system where all users have an Internet passport, subject to periodic review of your online activity.

The Big Tech giants have already said they actively share information in an effort to crack down on “white supremacists” under the Global Internet Forum to Counter Terrorism, a body previously reserved for targeting the Taliban and al-Qaeda. 

PayPal announced it will be working with the notoriously Marxist Anti-Defamation League to scour the Internet, looking for “extremists” and “anti-government” voices in order to shut off their PayPal donation buttons.

Under this Chinese-style social scoring system, those guilty of online infractions get publicly shamed and silenced. Information collectors are paid to snitch on their neighbors and family members. Once your social credit score dips below a certain level, you become so discredited that it gets tougher and tougher to find a job, travel by plane, train, bus or car, get loans or put your kids in the better schools.

Those providing counter-narrative information will be flagged, given a warning, and eventually blocked as disseminators of “disinformation.”

You lose your freedom of speech, but that’s not all.

In today’s society, being removed from the Internet means you won’t be able to buy or sell online or work a job that requires an internet connection.

So the health passports, currently being rolled out worldwide, will block you from in-person shopping for food and necessities while the coming Internet passport will block you from ordering your necessities online. You will essentially be left with the black market, assuming one will spring up for those deemed “unclean” and “unfit” for the modern world because of their dissident views.

All of these technologies will merge at the intersection of Big Data, big banks, Big Tech and big government. Your social credit score will now be tied in not only to your Internet activity but to your bank account and your vaccine status. Welcome to the Great Reset, a/k/a New World Order.

Add in advances in AI and facial recognition and millions of surveillance cameras and you are talking about a lockdown slave state that makes George Orwell’s 1984 look like a picnic in the park.

But don’t complain. It’s all “for our safety.”

People cannot be trusted to do the right thing, to believe the true facts, to lead the kind of life that results in a peaceful, happy society. All must conform to the new masters.

Now is the time to fight this system. But in order to fight it, you must recognize its existence and stay one step ahead of the cabal’s evil game plan.

At some point the trap door will shut. It will be too late to opt out. You either comply or become a non-person. An enemy of the state.

These separate avenues of evolving technology will eventually be merged to create a society in which everything, and every person, is digitally tracked. Not just the movement of their physical bodies, but their actions, behaviors, even their thoughts.

The elites are counting on us accepting this system in its early, fragmented stages. Most people think compartmentally. They don’t connect dots. They will be deceived.

The elites are not going to tell you upfront what all is involved in the Fourth Industrial Revolution. They’re just going to tell you the parts that sound good – convenience, inclusion, safety, security.

Watch the creepy 42-second video put out by the government of Australia urging people to create a digital identity.

Once this trap door is shut, it will be very difficult to get out of its clutches. Don’t download apps, pay with cash whenever possible, and stop sleep walking into the New World Order.

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251 thoughts on “Digital health passports: The snare that will lure many into the one-world cashless system”

  1. I am having incredible difdficulty in believing that somebody who gives all the appearance of being a Christian considers it quite acceptable, in the sight of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, to speak to one of His disciples in this manner. I have only read your first paragraph and that was quite sufficient. I am forwarding the email I received with your comment on it straight to Leo.

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  2. dispensationalism is a heretical teaching brought on to the world stage by Scoffield and Darby and it’s purely non-biblical in all its fake and phony interpretations that many churches have caressed as truth. this teaching has even drifted into some of the reformed churches and is being is taught his is the great falling away spoken of in the scripture, and we are living thru it. this is very sad and disheartening to witness his, but this is the end times , preach the truth always and never waiver.

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    1. Were I to tell you, Bill, that the moon was made of green cheese I am sure you would require evidence of that assertion. Is there the slightest possibility that you can provide evidence of your most remarkable assertion which I have never seen before in my life, as I am shocked to the core although I do wonder what on earth it has to do with the topic to hand. There’s going slightly off topic and then there’s your comment!

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      1. Why, are you like so many, alleged, Christians these days, you want to tear apart that which I have studiously learnt in the last 45+ years, hmm through reading the Word of God on a regular basis from cover to cover? Not a chance, if you care to look back you can see what I believe by the comments I post.

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      2. wow! You are judging me because I asked you a simple question. Haven’t you read 1st Peter 3:15
        “But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:”

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      3. No, what I read was: ” but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, but with gentleness and respect;” (NASB) As ever I use the Word of God to do any ‘judging’ which might be considered necessary although Jesus in John 7:24 and Paul in 1 Corinthians 5:12 both tell us it is okay to judge providing . . . . . . . . So this is what I do, sorry you are having difficulty in understanding that perhaps, as is often between Americans and the English, we are divided by a common language, hmm?

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      4. I don’t detect any gentleness in your answers to me. All I detect is an arrogant, judgemental, sarcastic and evasive attitude. If you are afraid that that the doctrine you profess, wont stand up to scrutiny, then maybe you should question that doctrine.

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      5. As I said we are divided by a common language I am English and this is how I write, how you choose to interpret my writing is another matter entirely, and is not my responsibility – I wonder though whether you would write to Jesus Christ of Nazareth in this manner? I am a Bride of His but you seem to not consider that at all important – that’s very sad but, again, your choice. I am certainly not going to crucify Christ again just to satisfy your desire to debate scripture in this manner, than’s for sure, there’s only one which wishes to debate scripture with the spirit you are portraying and I do not engage with him or his minions.

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      6. I challenged the manner with which you addressed me. Don’t use your nationality as an excuse for your bad manner. I lived and worked in England and I never encountered such arrogance from the English people. You do the English a disservice to suggest that your manner is an English trait.
        You didn’t want to debate scripture from the time I first asked you a simple question. You were evasive rude and judgemental and continue to be so.
        You need to put aside the dictionary and get down off your high horse. If you don’t want to discuss what the bible teaches then just say so without all the insults and arrogance

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      7. “I challenge you in the manner you address me” – wow it is a long time since I have read such an arrogant introduction to what is obviously going to be a rant. Please be assured I am not reading it and as the old English saying goes: “A cat can look at a king” – in other words you are just a human being as I am so why on earth should I be doffing my cap (or the female equivalent) to you? Defeats me entirely, as ever with you I will not be reading the rest of your post as I cannot think of even one tiny reason why I should.

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      8. May i suggest you study the scriptures and pray to God to grant you wisdom and discernment of his Holy Word and only then will you see the truth of his most holy word. Debates are useless as the most High orders us not to do this because its futile in trying to convince people over to your point of view, this you must search out on your own. be a good Barean as the Scriptures teach us and reproof all things you hear and read. Study to find yourself approved, and only then you will find truth that many do not have and are still seeking. you see, there is much to much of mans personal opinions which contradict and cloud out the truth of Gods most holy word and this in itself is heretical and there will be a price to pay for latching onto something that tickles the ear of which men love. There are many false prophets that have entered onto the world scene with many false doctrines which sound almost like truth, remember Satan comes as an angel of light believing himself to be god and he sits in the temple thinking he is god on this earth, when in fact he is a liar, a deceiver, a murderer, a fraud and many other names i could conger up . God only wants his people to worship him spirit and truth, and that is basically it, it’s child like faith which is pure.
        I do not espouse to know more then other people, but of what I do know, there is to much of endless debates which profit nothing but strife.
        Maranatha

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      9. I have been doing that for 45+ years, and I thank God, every day for the pastors and teachers He has brought into my life recently.
        I will admit that for a couple of decades there my beloved and I were thoroughly deceived by NAR but God rescued us from them and being a good Berean is now meat and drink to us, so we truly do not need your lecture, but thank you for considering I did need it, I am sure you wrote it out of the goodness of your own heart, didn’t you?

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      10. you need to really check your humbleness of heart because i sense you seem off and this is not a trait of being Christ like, humility is key to everything, and what i wrote pertains to all , you even stated it yourself you were deceived , may i say anymore.

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      11. Excuse me, now could you please tell me when it was I gave you permission to talk into my life, because I have totally forgotten it, if I ever did. Do you not think, perhaps, that what you are doing is usurping my husband’s role – we have been married for 53 years and I do feel he knows me a lot better than you, in fact you do not know me at all.
        Perhaps you have too much time on your hands, if that is so, you need to get out of the house and start asking God to lead you to people who, if you do not tell them the good news of Jesus Christ of Nazareth as per the end of Matthew 28, they could end up going to hell and their blood will be on your hands because you have not been a good watchman warning them as we are required to do in Ezekiel 33. Now how about that? Did you like me telling you what to do? Even though I am older than you? I thought not, so stop doing it to people you do not even know.

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      12. you still don’t get it, you sharp tongue is precisely what the good Lord does not like. i have studied and searched the scriptures just as long as you have and don’t go around being wise to people who have no understanding, just because you scribble a few bible verses do you believe that makes you wiser then others, your snarkiness without humility will convict you at the end of of time. even satan knows the scripture and uses it against people as well as the church. Humility, humility, humility is the answer and this has to be learned over time

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      13. I tried to suggest, nicely, that you have no permission to be castigating me – you are not my husband – yet you insist. And I am the one who, perhaps, is headed for hell? Yikes! Please be a good chap now and go away, you are not serving the Lord you are just serving your own ego. You have had your say, so leave it alone, did nobody tell you that how I respond us up to God not you?

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      14. i believe you need to vamoose and keep to yourself, you now nothing but talk utter nonsense. And if i was your your husband you would need to keep silent as the scriptures demand and stop usurping Godly men on this site, hush and maybe the good lord will heal your lips of your nonsense.

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      1. Lovely! I do so admire somebody who knows the Bible well enough to come up with just the correct scripture to counter somebody’s ‘opinion’!

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      2. Anthony, Paul teaches us in Eph.3:1-5 that we are now in the dispensation of the grace of God. A time he says in Col.1:26 was “hid from all ages past”. So our dispensation was different from what went before us. This is also shown in Jesus’ teaching in Mark10:17-21 to the rich young ruler where He told him that to have eternal life he must Do the works of the law AND follow Jesus. Whereas Paul taught that eternal life is by grace through faith without works. Eph.2:8,9.

        Based upon this we can see why Paul said in Rom.6:14 that they are not under the dominion of sin any longer because they are not under law, but they are in a different dispensation. The dispensation of the grace of God.

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      3. Heaven forfend edwitness you have answered using scripture, that will never do! (sarcasam). Thank you so much your response is brilliant.

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      4. Thanks for your reply
        The woed used in Ephesians 3 is the greek word
        οι᾿κονομι´α
        oikonomia; means , stewardship,/administration.
        Paul is referring to his stewardship. This cannot possibly be taken to mean an era or an age, as you seem to suggest.
        Eph 3:2 “If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:”
        Paul is clearly referring to the stewardship/administration of of the gospel of grace that God is directing him to administer to the Ephesians.
        The same Greek word is used in 1Corinthians 9:17 where Paul refers again to his calling to administration/stewardship of the gospel in 1 Corinthians 9:17
        “For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.”

        The very same Greek word is used three times in Luke 16:2,3, and 4 and is rendered as “stewardship”.
        2And he called him, and said unto him, How is it that I hear this of thee? give an account of thy stewardship; for thou mayest be no longer steward.
        3Then the steward said within himself, What shall I do? for my lord taketh away from me the stewardship: I cannot dig; to beg I am ashamed.
        4I am resolved what to do, that, when I am put out of the stewardship, they may receive me into their houses.
        So the word dispensation in Ephesians means stewardship/administration. Paul was given this administration by God and it was his duty do carry it out as ordained by God.
        Your quote from Mark 10 doesn’t support your argument for your doctrine of ‘dispensationalism’
        Being saved by grace does not exempt us from doing good works and obedience to God. Faith without works is dead. We are told to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.
        Abraham believed and it was counted to him as righteousness but his faith was made evident in his obedience and willingness to carry out God’s command.
        Although we are chosen in Christ from before the foundation of the world we are told make our election sure.
        We are saved by grace and not of ourselves, it is a gift of God . That grace is made evident through good works. The good works are not of ourselves but it is the Spirit of God working in us causing us to obey the commands of God, producing fruits that befit a child of God.
        What has been replaced by Jesus sacrifice on the cross is the ritualistic law of the old testament but the spiritual law can never be nullified. The spiritual law demands more from us than the ritualistic law.
        The man Jesus spoke to, was challenged by the spiritual law. Jesus did not tell him to sacrifice a lamb for his sins. Instead He pointed him to the spiritual law which must still be obeyed today. The rich man was keeping much of the spiritual law but ran into difficulty when it meant him having to give up his wealth. Putting God before worldly possessions was a command that he found too difficult to obey.
        I hope you found this helpful.

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      5. What on earth has all that spiel to do with digital health passports, do you not think you are somewhat off topic to say the least? How do you think it looks when one alleged Christian is slagging off another alleged Christian hmm? Stick to the topic or be quiet please, you are grieving the Holy Spirit.

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      6. Anthony,
        Anthony,
        Yes, Paul is referring to the message of Christ that he has been given stewardship over. A message that says all men are saved by grace through faith without works. Not by faith + works that Israel was under as the teaching Jesus told to the rich young ruler in Mark10 who was under the law. This shows a very distinct difference between what Jesus taught to those who were under the law, and what Paul was given from Jesus to teach in the dispensation of the grace of God we know as the New Covenant. Hence the word dispensation.

        And while it’s true that being under grace does not “exempt us from doing good works and obedience to God”, as Eph.2:10 clearly attests. Being under grace does exempt us from the law given to Israel alone from Moses that ended with Jesus(Gal.3:19). Because Paul said in Rom.7:1-4 that if a man continues in obedience to God through the law he can not be joined with Christ. Because Paul says he must be dead to the law to be joined with Christ. As dead as a husband had to be to a wife for her to be able to remarry without being an adulteress.

        This is why dispensational thinking is necessary for the man who will no longer be under the dominion of sin. Because as Paul very plainly taught, to be joined with Christ is to be dead to the law.

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      7. @edwitnesssays:
        Just to clarify. My question to you is in relation to your statement where you say
        ” without dispensational thinking you are still under the law”

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      8. no you are not under the law, the law was nailed to the cross. Christ did not come to throw the law under the bus, so to speak, but to fulfill it in its entirety. Christ is the embodiment of the law. Grace saves you and that is not of yourself, it is the free gift of God, but you still must try to obey the commandments if you can. no one on this planet cannot keep all ten points of the law, even if you break one point of the law which we all do then you broke all of them. Christ death on the cross freed us from the law of death and spending an eternity in hell, so my friend there is no where in the scripture that speaks of dispensational thinking what so ever in the context you are trying to make it fit to your biblical agenda. this is incorrect thinking and will get you into very big trouble with God when you stand before him at the final judgment.

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      9. Bill,
        Yes, we are not under law. No. We do not “try to obey the commandments”. In fact, we don’t even think in those terms if we are saved by grace. Because Heb.9:14 says our conscience is purged from those dead works so that we don’t even think about impersonal law keeping anymore. But, only in the personal relationship we have with Jesus.

        No. Christ is not the embodiment of the law. In Him was the fulness of the Godhead bodily. The law is not God. And God is not the law. The law was temporary. God is eternal. The law was given to Israel to keep them a separate people purely human until the one came to whom the promise was made(Gal.3:19). Therefore the law that began with Moses ended with Jesus’ death and resurrection. It’s purpose being fulfilled.

        Only those who are under the law are in violation of all when only one is violated. Those who are under grace do not even think in terms of law keeping. Because they have had their consciences purged from those dead works. As long as you “try to keep the law” you are joined to it and not to Christ(Rom.7:1-4).

        These define the dispensation of the grace of God vs the dispensation prior to it from which this dispensation was hid. We are not under law because that was a different dispensation. We are under the dispensation of the grace of God. We are saved by grace through faith without works. They were saved by faith + works. Huuuge difference.

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      10. Wow, what a brilliant summation, and I just so happen to be going through the book of Romans at the moment (I read Romans 7 today). It is true what is said in one the epistles (by Peter I think) Paul can be difficult to understand but the more you read, the more you learn, the easier it becomes to fully understand what it is he is saying and you have truly nailed it. Thank you I pray that what God gave you to write reaches fertile soil. By the way did you know that recently the Pope is quoted as saying that those evangelical Christians who speak about having a personal relationship with Jesus are very dangerous? Also I have recently been told by somebody who posts on Leo’s blogs that believing in dispensationalism is heresy! I kid you not! It was never thought about prior to Scofield and Darby, which is very funny as the early church fathers had no problems with the concept! Thank God for Ken Johnson who delves into all these ancient manuscripts and draws up such nuggets of information.

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      11. again you do much paste an stick and these are not your own thoughts, anyone can do paste and stick like you are doing and seem smart , you really need to study to find yourself approved because the way i see it, you are in a very sad state. Iam sorry but i have to rebuke in the name of of our Lord, i will pray for you, you really need to follow the scriptures concerning where the women are to keep silent and not usurp the men. you are in a heep of trouble with Christ if you dont stop, Get right with the Lord before his return

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      12. Bill,
        The only thing I have cut and pasted is the scriptures themselves. The rest comes from what God has shown me from His word. I have a video channel called believeruntoeternallife on Rumble. As I have shown from God’s word those that are in the very terrible state are those who have determined to remain joined to the law(works) that have no power to save from death. Only the spirit of life in Christ Jesus that Paul referred to in Rom.8:2 can.

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      13. dont make me give you the book you are taken this commentary from of which is one mans opine. it’s like i said, listen to God and stop usurping the authority of men, Gods has warnings for women such as yourself to keep silent, as God states, dont argue with me, argue with God who wrote this in his holy word. i dont want to have to rebuke for the second time , but i will . take it to God and pray to him. you are to wise in your own conceit and i dont want to see you get in trouble with Christ , he Loves you and he wants you to do what is right. There are no true church women i know in my circles who would ever do what your are doing and if they did they would be rebuked. You wont hear from again on this, so just do what is pure and righteous in Gods eyes, time is to short now sine the world is rotting away from sin
        Marantha

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      14. well then i have to apologize for thinking that, i must have have thinking about someone else on this site, but anyway, you know what iam saying things are getting worse around the world each passing day and none of Gods elect need to be involved in debate or strife it suffices nothing. this is off topic but i just read the FBI now considers religious holidays to be acts of terrorism, let that sink in for a while.

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      15. Bill,
        Apology accepted.
        I think ordo ab chao is what we are experiencing. After this chaos the real deception will begin. To deceive the very elect if it were possible.

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      16. And Bill,
        If you know of a book besides the Bible that shares the same truths I have shared here then that is wonderful. And by all means share it’s title with us so that I can see it and communicate with it’s author.

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      17. Sweetheart you are flogging a dead horse, let him be, he gives every appearance of being a troll!

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      18. My goodness me you truly are nasty. Yet you maintain I am the one destined for hell and I am the one who is arrogant! Wow! Edwitness has done nothing other than write about Jesus Christ of Nazareth and what He conveys to us in His Word – both Old and New and you castigate him?

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    2. Bill, I am somewhat concerned by your determining that you have the right to address Julia, my wife in the manner that you have adopted. I as her husband and her ”cover” am advising you that in the way that you have admonished her are considerably off the path of God.
      Will you please STOP IT.
      Leo as the moderator and the ”owner” of these pages has the right to take a stand about what is said here.
      There is nothing to be gained by any person attacking another and when it seems that the majority of people on this forum are Christians then we begin the work of the evil one when that happens.

      It is a disgrace to anyone who attacks another and, Bill. you have done that to several people on this thread in the last 24 hours. For that I admonish you.
      If I had access to you privately I would have done that as it is this has been public and you need to recognise how serious this is.

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    1. Hello Ed , here is my understanding
      I agree that we are saved by grace through faith . As I said in my previous comment :-
      “We are saved by grace and not of ourselves, it is a gift of God .
      But true faith is God given. It is tactile, it is not merely an academic affirmation of the gospel.
      In Hebrews 11 we are given a thorough description of faith .
      The spiritual law has not been done away with because Jesus says in Mat 5 :-
      “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”
      As far as I am aware, heaven and earth have not passed. So the law is still in effect, not the ritual law but the spiritual law of which the ritual law is but a shadow. Jesus has fulfilled the law on our behalf, not to exempt us from it but to save us from being condemned by it.
      Paul says that he sees that the law is good but he is grieved at his carnal inability to keep the law saying “wretched man that I am” Paul recognises that the spiritual law is still in force and cries out with relief that through Jesus Christ he is rescued from condemnation.
      It is a mistake to think that we are exempt from keeping the law . We are still expected to not steal, not commit fornication etc. We must still judge between right and wrong and strive to do what’s right.
      If we disregard the law then how can we know the difference between right and wrong?
      Paul finishes the chapter of Romans 7 by saying
      “25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
      So Paul is showing in thiis chapter that the carnal man is condemned by the law but the spiritual man is not because the spiritual man is united with Christ. But remember that Paul said that with his mind he SERVES THE LAW OF GOD showing that the spiritual law is still in force. We are still bound by the spiritual law of God but not by the ritualistic law which involved animal sacrifice, circumcision etc., by which we cannot be justified.
      Hebrews 9
      7But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: 8The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: 9Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

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      1. Anthony,
        The first mistake in your reply is believing that Jesus did not fulfill all that He came to do. Which is the context of the passage. He did of course, and that’s why the law has passed. Paul even said it was “abolished” in Eph.2:15 so that the Jew and Gentile could become “one new man”. And Hebrews tells us that it was “taken away” so the New Covenant could be “established”. This pertained to the whole law because the law is works. The New Covenant is by grace through faith without works. This is why Jesus fulfilled the law. So that as Paul said sin would no longer have dominion over those who were once under it. Because now they are under grace.

        You make your second mistake by believing that Paul said he could not keep the law. Paul never said this. In fact, Paul said in Phil.3:6,7 “Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.”

        Your third mistake is believing that Rom.7 is about the carnal man not being able to keep the law. When what Paul is really teaching here is that Israelites(“those who know the law” vs.1) who remain joined to the law by believing that they must continue to keep it can not be joined with Christ. Not because they could not keep the law, as is made very apparent in Luke1:5,6 that they could. But, because the keeping of the law is not the righteousness they need for salvation.

        So that the trouble they discovered when they tried to live by “the faith of Christ” was that their old way of thinking when they were under the law(with my mind I serve the law of God) kept creeping back in. So that they would think in terms of works of the flesh for righteousness instead of the faith of Christ as Paul taught in Gal.2:16. This is why Paul concludes in Rom.8:5,6 “For they that are after the flesh(works) do mind the things of the flesh(works); but they that are after the Spirit(faith) the things of the Spirit(faith). For to be carnally minded(works righteousness) is death; but to be spiritually minded(righteousness by faith) is life and peace.”

        This is why Paul said, “For that which I do(trust in Jesus for righteousness)I allow not(because with the mind they serve the law): for what I would(trust in Jesus), that do I not; but what I hate(trust in the law for righteousness), that do I.” This is the context beginning with the very first verse of Rom.7. The Jew who knows the law battles with the notion that he must continue keeping it vs the New Covenant of grace Paul was teaching them.
        Different dispensations.

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      2. To those who are without (outside) the Law, [I became] as one without the Law, though [I am] not without the law of God, but under the law of Christ’s gospel, so that I might win those who are without law. 1 Cor. 9:21 Carry one another’s burdens and in this way you will fulfill the gospel requirements of Christ’s law of faith [that is, the law of Christ’s love and faithful obedience to always do His Father’s holy will]. Gal 6:2

        You may be sure sin shall have no dominion over you; for you are not under the shadow of the Mosaic law, which forbids sin, but gives no power against it, or which requires obedience, and gives no strength to perform it (like the Egyptian taskmasters, who required bricks but gave no straw); but possessed and driven by the gracious Spirit of Christ’s gospel law or covenant of grace, where sin is not only forbidden, but the regenerated sinner (I.e. Holy Spirit driven Saint) is divinely enabled to resist and overcome it.

        For it is [not your strength, but it is] God whose Spirit is effectively at work in you, both to will and to work [that graciously is, strengthening, energizing, and creating in you the longing and the ability to fulfill the law of Christ’s gospel] for His good pleasure. Philippians 2:13

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      3. 1John3:6-9
        “Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
        Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
        He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
        Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”

        Why? Because he who is born of God has been purged from dead works(the law) to serve the living and true God(Heb.9:14). So that the law(works) which gave sin it’s power(1Cor.15:56) has no place in the believer’s heart and mind. His mind is on the relationship, not works.

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      4. The law of Christ’s gracious New Covenant gospel commands the wise virgins of His obedient Bride: “Therefore, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now even more in my absence, continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God who works in you to will and to act on behalf of His foreordained good purpose. Do everything without complaining or arguing, so that you may be blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and perverse generation, in which you shine as lights in the world as you hold forth the word of life, in order that I may boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor in vain. Philippians 2:12-

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      5. It is obvious Leo must be away from his desk because not one word of what you have posted is even remotely connected to that which is the topic before us.

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      6. Julia PomerOy, have you ever been remotely connected to God’s incarnate Word, the LORD Jesus— the infinite ‘TOPIC’ eternally before us? The Word that I posted is the Gospel of Christ Jesus, the mystery of God. I resolve to know nothing [that is, to forego philosophical or theological discussions regarding inconsequential things and opinions], while Leo may be away from his desk, except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified [and the meaning of His redemptive, substitutionary death and His resurrection]. 1 Corinthians 2:2

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      7. John,
        Since all men still physically die, and Paul says all men are not spiritual beings from conception just as Adam when God made him(1Cor.15:45-48), can you explain in what way Jesus’ death was substitutionary for ours?

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      8. On the day that Adam ate the forbidden fruit, the human heart degenerated in spiritual death (becoming a reprobate old wineskin that is antithetical to the Holy Spirit’s indwelling New Wine). Mankind’s sin-enslaved heart is become the most deceitful of all self-willed things, and desperately wicked. Who can understand how inherently delusional it’s self-righteous independence, democratic religious freedom, and ‘Christian faith’ really is? The Potter’s sacrificial death was in substitution for the spiritual death of His beloved chosen clay vessels. Therefore the LORD Bridegroom is justified as He graciously removes His Bride’s reprobate, self-willed old wineskin heart and replaces it with a repentant, faithfully obedient new wineskin heart that is filled with the New Wine of His Holy Spirit. Ezekiel 36:26; Philippians 2:13

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      9. But John,
        Your premise that Adam was a spiritual being when God made him is not Biblical. That’s why the rest of your statement about all men having an evil heart is wrong as well.

        Paul taught that Adam was not spiritual when he was made(1Cor.15:46). So his heart could not “degenerate in spiritual death” as you say his did when he ate the “forbidden fruit”, since he was not a spiritual being when God made him?

        This being true I will ask again. How could Jesus’ death be “substitutionary” since all men still die physically? And since all men are natural and not spiritual when they are conceived, just as Adam was when God made him?

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      10. On the day that Adam ate the forbidden fruit, the human heart degenerated in spiritual death (becoming a reprobate old wineskin that is antithetical to the Holy Spirit’s indwelling New Wine). Mankind’s sin-enslaved heart is become the most deceitful of all self-willed things, and desperately wicked. Who can understand how inherently delusional it’s self-righteous independence, democratic religious freedom, and ‘Christian faith’ really is? The Potter’s sacrificial death was in substitution for the spiritual death of His beloved chosen clay vessels. Therefore the LORD Bridegroom is justified as He graciously removes His Bride’s reprobate, self-willed old wineskin heart and replaces it with a repentant, faithfully obedient new wineskin heart that is filled with the New Wine of His Holy Spirit. Ezekiel 36:26; Philippians 2:13

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      11. John,
        Repeating your wrong statement does not make it right. A man that has no spirit can not die spiritually as you have wrongly believed Adam did. And since all men still die physically there is no way Jesus’ death could be substitutionary.

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      12. Hello Ed , thanks for your reply. Here is my understanding
        I hace shown you clearly in my previous post that the spiritual law is still in force. I have pointed out that there is a distinction between the ritual laws of the old testament, and the spiritual law.
        We must obey the spiritual law, that is why John says
        1 John 2:4 “He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”
        So we see that the commandments are still in force. If their was no law then there would be no sin But it is possible for a Christian to sin. Otherwise, why would John also say
        1 John 1:10
        “If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
        So I hope you will admit that a Christian can sin. If a Christian can be said to have sinned then there must be a law in force which he has transgressed. There must be a law in force by which he can be judged to have sinned. Otherwise, how can he know that he has sinned.
        But thanks to Jesus Christ’s perfect sacrifice on the cross we are able to find forgiveness and cleansing. When Jesus said “it is finished” He was not abolishing the spiritual law. He was referring to His perfect sacrifice which doesn’t have to be repeated over and over like the ritual sacrificing of sheep. He was abolishing the ritual laws of what was now the old testament and replacing it with a more perfect sacrifice.
        His sacrifice was efficacious forever and would never have to be repeated. That’s why Jesus said “it is finished”
        Just to say that I don’t agree with the way you are mixing your own words into bible verses , in your comment . I think it is wrong to do that. It’s also very confusing to read.
        I suggest that you don’t interrupt what the verse is saying with your own bias. Let the scriptures be clear and then offer your comment separately , based on your understanding of those verses.

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      13. Anthony,
        I appreciate the fact that you believe that the spiritual law is different from the ritual laws given to Moses for Israel. However, as I showed you already Paul said in Rom.7 any man that remains joined to the law can not be joined with Christ. And to make sure you knew what part of the law Paul was talking about he named one of them in vs.7. He made reference to “thou shalt not covet” so you would know what law you needed to be dead to so that you could be joined with Christ. This is proof that the law is not divided into parts so you can say we must obey part of it but that it is ok to disregard the rest.

        Remember when you quoted James when you said any man who is accountable by God to keep the law and yet offends in one part of it is guilty of all of it. That counts for all of it. Not just the ritual parts.

        This is proof that you are either under the whole law or you are not under any of it. You are either in the New Covenant or you remain under the Old. And if you remain under the Old Covenant sin still has dominion over you as Paul said in Rom.6:14. And if you try to be in bo9th covenants as you are Paul says you are an adulteress(Rom.7:1-3).

        1John1 references the sins under the law for Israel as John was an apostle only to the Jews(Gal.2:). Under the law they made continual confession of and sacrifice for sin. John is telling them now all they need to do is confess sin to Jesus to “cleanse them from ALL unrighteousness”. And Heb.10:14 says that once that is done there is no more need for sacrifice for forgiveness of sins because “by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.”

        Sin is to miss the mark. In 1John3 John is speaking of the sin of unbelief that Jesus said in John16:9 He came to reprove the whole world of. This is the sin those who are born of God can not ever do. Because His seed remains in them and they can not sin because they are born of God. That a Christian can do something wrong has nothing to do with this sin. The reason you think it does is because for you the mark is still the law. While for the truly saved the mark is Jesus.

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      14. Hello Ed, here is my understanding
        In Romans 7 Paul does not say that the law is abolished. He is saying that the carnal man cannot keep the spiritual law
        Romans 7
        12 “Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
        13Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
        14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
        15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
        16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
        17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me”.
        So Paul is acknowledging that the spiritual law is still in force condemning his carnal sinful nature. He is pointing out that his new spiritually born again nature is grieved by this and the new born again Paul is not the one sinning but it is the sinful nature of the carnal man that dwells in him.
        The point I am making is that the spiritual law has always been there before and after the law of Moses which was contained in ordinances, animal sacrifices, and washing rituals, were shadows of what was to come.
        The spiritual law has never passed away and is far deeper than the ritual observances of the old testament. That is why in Hebrews God says
        “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;”
        The new covenant does not abolish the spiritual law it. It establishes that law in a much deeper way .
        This is the new covenant. It is not observed in old testament ritual practises. Instead it is written in our hearts and minds. The new covenant does not exempt us from doing what is right .
        A Christian can still sin and suffer being chastised by God .
        How did Adam and Eve know that they had sinned ? They had come to the knowledge of good and evil. So even before the law of Moses the spiritual law was there and Adam and Eve had to be punished. Likewise Cain was guilty for killing Abel.
        The Mosaic laws were given to Moses to enable God’s people and subsequently the world, to have some understanding of the spiritual law and it’s requirements foreshadowing the New Covenant.
        So what I am saying is that whilst the law wont save us the spiritual law must still be obeyed. As Paul says :-
        Romans 6
        1 “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
        2″God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
        And again
        14 “For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.”
        15 “What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
        It is still possible for a Christian to sin because of his carnal nature.
        P.S.
        I don’t remember quoting James. Perhaps that was someone else that you were in conversation with.
        With regard to your comment on Johns letter. John was ministering to the ‘Christian’ Jews who had entered into the new testament. So John’s letters are addressed to Christians.
        The Greek word below is often translated as ‘sin’ in the new testament.
        α῾μαρτα´νω
        hamartanō; from an early root α῾μαρτ- hamart-; to miss the mark, do wrong, sin.

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      15. Anthony,
        Paul is not saying that what you refer to as the spiritual law is still in force. He said the law must be dead to you before you can marry another and bring forth fruit unto God(Rom.7:4). Not because the law was bad. But, because it could never save anyone. It was never meant for that purpose.

        Like I showed before, Paul names one of the laws that men must be dead to so that you would know he is talking about the 10 commandments as well as the rest of the law. The 10 commandments are no more spiritual law than the rest of the law was.

        Paul says in Rom.8:2 that “the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death”. He says in 2Cor.3:7 that this law he has been set free from was “the ministration of death”. And where does Paul say these laws were? Those written on stones. The 10 commandments were the laws written on stones, right?
        Here’s the verse- “But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

        The law is the system that God gave to Israel. Not to save them. But, as Paul taught in Gal.3:19 it was only to keep them as a people for Messiah to come through. And since Jesus has come the law has served it’s purpose. This is why Paul says it has been “abolished” in Eph.2:15. And why Heb.10:9 tells them it has been “taken away”. Because the covenant that is in Jesus Christ is a “better covenant with better promises”. Heb.8:6

        So as long as you remain joined to the law by thinking you must keep it you can never be joined with Christ. Because “ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.” Rom.7:4. Therefore, if the law is not dead to you then Paul says you can not bring forth fruit unto God.
        Let this sink in. You will bear no fruit unto God if the law is not dead to you. Not because the law is bad. But, because “there was never a law given that could give life”. Gal.3:21

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      16. I truly do not believe you should be debating this issue on Leo’s blog. It truly is not kind and, it seems to me, that all involved are totally entrenched so what betterment is there in taking over Leo’s blog so to speak. What you are speaking about does not directly have any bearing on digital health passports and, I think, it behoves one of you to model the grace of God and bow out now.
        I am saying this to you because you know where I am coming from and so, I trust, you realise there is no animosity in what I am saying.

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      17. Thank you Julia. But, the notion of law keeping and taking the mark of the beast both have to do with salvation. Because both will keep us from being joined with Christ. However, I do see your point.

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      18. John Shaphat, I really do feel that you have lost the plot.
        The purpose, I believe, of this blog is for Leo to gives heads up on information which he has researched and as a faithful Watchman he is passing the information on.
        Many of us make comments and move on.
        However I feel that you are stuck in an attack groove on my wife Julia.
        It is not your mission in life to correct or attack her, BUT when you do it, it is my obligation to inform you that you have gone way past the line of making helpful comments on a blog. I pray that you will take note of my admonishment and stop those attacks.

        It is also seems rather strange to me that you quote a group of scriptures without context or pertinent comments. I am not asking for an explanation simply making a comment.

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      19. That is so good I have copied and pasted it into my Scripture and Ministry file. Thank you. again, interesting I should jut so happen to be going through Romans this week!

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    2. Hello Ed,
      Then why does Paul say in Romans 7
      22 “For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:”
      And again in v25
      25 “I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.”
      Why does Paul say that he delights in the law of God and that he SERVES the law of God?

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      1. Would you please stop it? Both you and those you have argued with are an utter disgrace to the Lord, there is no way you are in any way seeking to bring people to a living knowledge of Jesus ,you are just determined to wear the other down to the point of them giving in and agreeing you are right and, for all you know, both of you could be wrong. You are all a really bad witness to the grace of God. Stop it now. You should all be asahamed of yourselves all you are revealing now is your arrogance, every one of you, there is no way God is telling you to continue this charade.

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      2. Anthony,
        Paul is expressing the problem in the portion of the verses you cite. Not the answer. The solution is when he asks “who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ my Lord.”

        He is delivered from the law of sin and death which is ministration of death written on stones by the Spirit of life that is in Christ Jesus. Never to think in terms of law keeping for righteousness again. But, only grace through faith which brings him into a personal relationship with Jesus. Rather than a very impersonal relationship to the law and works.

        Our conversation is bothering our dear sister Julia. So if you want to continue please reply at ombehalf@gmail.com

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      3. Hello Ed, Thankyou for your courtesy in this conversation. I am not here to argue for arguments sake. My hope is that the truth will prevail and that we will both be winners.
        here is my understanding
        Verse 25 is the last verse in Romans 7 where Paul Paul has reached his conclusion to the questions asked in the previous verses.
        25I”thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.”
        So in conclusion Paul says clearly that he serves rhe law of God.
        The truth is that the spiritual law has not been abolished. God will use the spiritual law to judge the nations on the day of judgement. So what has changed fot us Christians is our RELATIONSHIP to that law.
        For the carnal man the law is oppressive because it is not in his nature. As he looks to the law he is reminded of how sinful and depraved he is. For the born again Christian, his new nature deligts in the law and his desire is to serve the law, just like the apostle Paul, He is now a slave to righteosness in obedience to the Lord Jesus Christ.
        This means that there will be much internal strife as the new nature wars against the old. This is what Paul is referring to when he says “. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin”.
        It seems that you are locked in the dispensationalist prison and cant see beyond it’s walls. You interpereted Pauls mention of his dispensation to make it mean an age/era, when in fact what Paul was referring to was the administration given to him by God, which he was duty bound to perform. You say that the law has been abolised and that we are not to be joined to it,when Paul says the opposite.
        As Christians we have been brought into the new testament ushered in by Jesus and His perfect sacrifice on the cross. I would put it to you that God has always been gracious. He has not limited his grace to a specific age. Through faith Moses and Elijah were saved as were many other saints in the old testament. They were men chosen by God and are part of God’s church.
        God’s church exists in the old testament as well as the new the new testament. ‘Dispensationalism ‘ tries to divide God’s church by over dividing the word of God. This results in a disjointed misunderstanding of God’s word.
        The efficacy of Jesus’ sacrifice is eternal and it’s efficacy extends into the past, present and future for all of God’s church, including the old testament saints.
        This is my understanding. If you can find any fault in what I believe then please let me know. For me the didpensationaist approach, which includes a pretribulation rapture, just doesn’t fit.
        I think it is important that we continue this conversation and not allow ourselves to be bullied into silence by some self appointed moderator who craves attention.
        I understand that it is Leo who runs this site, not Julie. Should Leo decide not to allow us to continue our discussion on this site then I will consider using the site you suggested.

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      4. Anthony William, AMEN! Thank you for clearly explaining the law of Christ’s Gospel that administrated saving grace to all the obedient, repentant members of His wise virgin Bride (from Abel onward).

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      5. Anthony,
        You said,
        I think it is important that we continue this conversation and not allow ourselves to be bullied into silence by some self appointed moderator who craves attention.
        I understand that it is Leo who runs this site, not Julie. Should Leo decide not to allow us to continue our discussion on this site then I will consider using the site you suggested.

        My response is “As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.”
        1Peter2:16,17

        I don’t know what’s going on between you two. But, I am not going to be a party to it. So please post your reply at the link I gave you and I will be more than happy to continue this conversation.

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  3. Hello Ed , thanks for your reply. Here is my understanding
    I have shown you clearly in my previous post that the spiritual law is still in force. I have pointed out that there is a distinction between the ritual laws of the old testament, and the spiritual law.
    We must obey the spiritual law, that is why John says
    1 John 2:4 “He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”
    So we see that the commandments are still in force. If their was no law then there would be no sin But it is possible for a Christian to sin. Otherwise, why would John also say
    1 John 1:10
    “If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
    So I hope you will admit that a Christian can sin. If a Christian can be said to have sinned then there must be a law in force which he has transgressed. There must be a law in force by which he can be judged to have sinned. Otherwise, how can he know that he has sinned.
    But thanks to Jesus Christ’s perfect sacrifice on the cross we are able to find forgiveness and cleansing. When Jesus said “it is finished” He was not abolishing the spiritual law. He was referring to His perfect sacrifice which doesn’t have to be repeated over and over like the ritual sacrificing of sheep. He was abolishing the ritual laws of what was now the old testament and replacing it with a more perfect sacrifice.
    His sacrifice was efficacious forever and would never have to be repeated. That’s why Jesus said “it is finished”
    Just to say that I don’t agree with the way you are mixing your own words into bible verses , in your comment . I think it is wrong to do that. It’s also very confusing to read.

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  4. Let’s get real here. Julia has been bullying people all over this site. She has even been given a caution by Leo. I suggest that you read her posts before defending her. If you are happy to acquiesce to her bullying behaviour, then you are affirming what she is doing.
    Supporting a bully is wrong as it encourages latent bad behaviour in the bully.
    Therefore I will not take this conversation elsewhere. I have made my point clearly pointing to the fact that I believe the so called ‘dispensationalist’ doctrine is wrong. If you are not willing to defend the so called ‘dispensationalist’ doctrine here where the conversation started then I’ll take it that you realise that you are unable to defend it.

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    1. Now who’s bullying? Take it however you want. But, I will not get caught up on your pettiness. You know where to find me.
      As long as you are joined to the law, a different dispensation/ministration. You can not be joined with Christ. Rom.7:1-4
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      1. You misinterpreted Pauls dispensation and changed it to make it mean an age/era, when in fact what Paul was referring to was the administration given to him by God, to administer the gospel.

        In Romans 7:22 Paul says “For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:”

        The spiritual law has not been abolished.
        I rest my case.

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      2. Thank you Ed, you have saved my beloved the job. Ironically when I was at school I was known as the one who always sorted out the bullies and my son followed suit. May the Lord continue to keep you safe, in the truth and blessed.

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      3. No problem Julia. I saw right off that there was a problem and decided not to be that man that grabs a dog by the ears.
        Pr.26:16-21
        “The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason.
        He that passeth by, and meddleth with strife belonging not to him, is like one that taketh a dog by the ears….
        Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out: so where there is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth.
        As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife.”
        God bless you and yours

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      4. @ edwitness Unlike you, I don’t twist the meaning of the scriptures in an effort to support a false narrative. You are full of rhetoric and void of truth.

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