Below is an excerpt from an article by attorney John Whitehead of the Rutherford Institute.
The discord is getting more discordant by the day.
Just recently, for instance, the Salt Lake Tribune Editorial Board suggested that government officials should mandate mass vaccinations and deploy the National Guard “to ensure that people without proof of vaccination would not be allowed, well, anywhere.”
In other words, lock up the unvaccinated and use the military to determine who gets to be “free.”
These tactics have been used before.
This is why significant numbers of people are worried: because this is the slippery slope that starts with well-meaning intentions for the greater good and ends with tyrannical abuses no one should tolerate.
For a glimpse at what the future might look like if such a policy were to be enforced, look beyond America’s borders.
In Italy, the unvaccinated are banned from restaurants, bars and public transportation, and could face suspensions from work and monthly fines. Similarly, France will ban the unvaccinated from most public venues.
In Austria, anyone who has not complied with the vaccine mandate could face fines up to $4100. Police will be authorized to carry out routine checks and demand proof of vaccination, with penalties of as much as $685 for failure to do so.
In China, which has adopted a zero tolerance, “zero COVID” strategy, whole cities—some with populations in the tens of millions—are being forced into home lockdowns for weeks on end, resulting in mass shortages of food and household supplies. Reports have surfaced of residents “trading cigarettes for cabbage, dishwashing liquid for apples and sanitary pads for a small pile of vegetables. One resident traded a Nintendo Switch console for a packet of instant noodles and two steamed buns.”
For those unfortunate enough to contract COVID-19, China has constructed “quarantine camps” throughout the country: massive complexes boasting thousands of small, metal boxes containing little more than a bed and a toilet. Detainees—including children, pregnant women and the elderly— were reportedly ordered to leave their homes in the middle of the night, transported to the quarantine camps in buses and held in isolation.
If this last scenario sounds chillingly familiar, it should.
Eighty years ago, another authoritarian regime established more than 44,000 quarantine camps for those perceived as “enemies of the state”: racially inferior, politically unacceptable or simply noncompliant.
While the majority of those imprisoned in the Nazi concentration camps, forced labor camps, incarceration sites and ghettos were Jews, there were also Polish nationals, gypsies, Russians, political dissidents, resistance fighters, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and homosexuals.
Culturally, we have become so fixated on the mass murders of Jewish prisoners by the Nazis that we overlook the fact that the purpose of these concentration camps were initially intended to “incarcerate and intimidate the leaders of political, social, and cultural movements that the Nazis perceived to be a threat to the survival of the regime.”
As the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum explains:
“Most prisoners in the early concentration camps were political prisoners—German Communists, Socialists, Social Democrats—as well as Roma (Gypsies), Jehovah’s Witnesses, homosexuals, and persons accused of ‘asocial’ or socially deviant behavior. Many of these sites were called concentration camps. The term concentration camp refers to a camp in which people are detained or confined, usually under harsh conditions and without regard to legal norms of arrest and imprisonment that are acceptable in a constitutional democracy.”
How do you get from there to here, from Auschwitz concentration camps to COVID quarantine centers?
Connect the dots.
You don’t have to be unvaccinated or a conspiracy theorist or even anti-government to be worried about what lies ahead. You just have to recognize the truth in the warning: power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
This is not about COVID-19. Nor is it about politics, populist movements, or any particular country.
This is about what happens when good, generally decent people—distracted by manufactured crises, polarizing politics, and fighting that divides the populace into warring “us vs. them” camps—fail to take note of the looming danger that threatens to wipe freedom from the map and place us all in chains.
It’s about what happens when any government is empowered to adopt a comply-or-suffer-the-consequences mindset that is enforced through mandates, lockdowns, penalties, detention centers, martial law, and a disregard for the rights of the individual.
The slippery slope begins in just this way, with propaganda campaigns about the public good being more important than individual liberty, and it ends with lockdowns and concentration camps.
The danger signs are everywhere.
Claudio Ronco, a 66-year-old Orthodox Jew and a specialist in 18th-century music, recognizes the signs. Because of his decision to remain unvaccinated, Ronco is trapped inside his house, unable to move about in public without a digital vaccination card.
He can no longer board a plane, check into a hotel, eat at a restaurant or get a coffee at a bar. He has been ostracized by friends, shut out of public life, and will soon face monthly fines for insisting on his right to bodily integrity and individual freedom.
For all intents and purposes, Ronco has become an undesirable in the eyes of the government, forced into isolation so he doesn’t risk contaminating the rest of the populace.
This is the slippery slope: a government empowered to restrict movements, limit individual liberty, and isolate “undesirables” to prevent the spread of a disease is a government that has the power to lockdown a country, label whole segments of the population a danger to national security, and force those undesirables—a.k.a. extremists, dissidents, troublemakers, etc.—into isolation so they don’t contaminate the rest of the populace.
The world has been down this road before.
Others have ignored the warning signs. We cannot afford to do so.
As historian Milton Mayer recounts in his seminal book on Hitler’s rise to power, They Thought They Were Free:
“Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had. There was no need to. Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about—we were decent people‑—and kept us so busy with continuous changes and ‘crises’ and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the ‘national enemies’, without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us.”
The German people chose to ignore the truth and believe the lie.
They were not oblivious to the horrors taking place around them. As historian Robert Gellately points out, “[A]nyone in Nazi Germany who wanted to find out about the Gestapo, the concentration camps, and the campaigns of discrimination and persecutions need only read the newspapers.”
The warning signs were there, blinking incessantly like large neon signs.
“Still,” Gellately writes, “the vast majority voted in favor of Nazism, and in spite of what they could read in the press and hear by word of mouth about the secret police, the concentration camps, official anti-Semitism, and so on. . . . [T]here is no getting away from the fact that at that moment, ‘the vast majority of the German people backed him.’”
Half a century later, the wife of a prominent German historian, neither of whom were members of the Nazi party, opined: “[O]n the whole, everyone felt well. . . . And there were certainly eighty percent who lived productively and positively throughout the time. . . . We also had good years. We had wonderful years.”
In other words, as long as their creature comforts remained undiminished, as long as their bank accounts remained flush, as long as they weren’t being locked up, locked down, discriminated against, persecuted, starved, beaten, shot, stripped, jailed or killed, life was good.
Life is good in America, too, as long as you’re able to keep cocooning yourself in political fantasies that depict a world in which your party is always right and everyone else is wrong, while distracting yourself with bread-and-circus entertainment that bears no resemblance to reality.
Indeed, life in America may be good for the privileged few who aren’t being locked up, locked down, discriminated against, persecuted, starved, beaten, shot, stripped, jailed or killed, but it’s getting worse by the day for the rest of us.
Which brings me back to the present crisis: COVID-19 is not the Holocaust, and those who advocate vaccine mandates, lockdowns and quarantine camps are not Hitler, but this still has the makings of a slippery slope.
The means do not justify the ends: we must find other ways of fighting a pandemic without resorting to mandates and lockdowns and concentration camps. To do otherwise is to lay the groundwork for another authoritarian monster to rise up and wreak havoc.
If we do not want to repeat the past, then we must learn from past mistakes.
January 27 marks Remembrance Day, the anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau, a day for remembering those who died at the hands of Hitler’s henchmen and those who survived the horrors of the Nazi concentration camps.
Yet remembering is not enough. We can do better. We must do better.
As I make clear in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People and in its fictional counterpart The Erik Blair Diaries, the world is teetering on the edge of authoritarian madness.
All it will take is one solid push for tyranny to prevail.
John Whitehead is a constitutional attorney, president and founder of the Charlottesville, Virginia-based Rutherford Institute, a public-interest law firm standing guard over the constitutional rights of American citizens.
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@ Rachel Nichols January 29, 2022 at 9:59 pm
Twisting the truth of God and bearing false witness concerning Jesus Christ’s teaching is a very serious sin. Jesus showed more compassion for Mary Magdalen than he did for the Pharisees. He forgave Mary Magdalen and welcomed her to his group of disciples, but we don’t see him doing that with the Pharisees because the Pharisees were heretics who twisted the meaning of God’s truth. They were blind leaders of the blind.
I notice that you liked Chris Madder’s comment in which it was said.
“We will just delight in saying “I told you so” when Jesus takes us all home before the Tribulation.”
Rachel, didn’t you used to believe in the scriptural version of Jesus Christ’s return which says that Jesus will return after the great tribulation. I remember you criticizing the “Left Behind” series which pushes the false pretribulation doctrine.
I am saddened to see that you have wavered. God’s truth hasn’t changed but you have.
Christ has stated quite clearly that He will return AFTER the great tribulation. But His words are no longer enough for you. You have lost sight of the truth.
Whatever I have said I have supported with the scriptures unlike Chris Madder whose comments are full of abusive language towards me and are empty of biblical understanding.
If you prefer empty rhetoric rather than the truth of the scriptures, then you need to examine yourself before God.
The truth is harsh for those who cant except it. A true Christian accepts the truth and is compelled by the Spirit of truth to uphold the truth and be a true witness for Jesus Christ and not buckle under adversity.
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I still hold those views. It’s your manner I disagree with.
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@ Rachel Nichols
Hello Rachel On a different note…
I remember you mentioning the idea of setting up a commune . Here’s an article as reported by the ‘Guardian’ about a croup who have set up a commune. It soon turns sour however as the article begins to vilify the group and talks up tensions between the group and the locals .
It seems that any group who set up a commune in an attempt to escape the NWO’s clutches will come under negative scrutiny and be vilified by the popular media.
So here’s the article :-
“A group of German, Austrian and Swiss immigrants has implanted an ideologically driven settlement in one of the country’s poorest regions.
A 1,600-hectare (4,000-acre) gated community, dubbed El Paraíso Verde, or the Green Paradise, is being carved out of the fertile red earth of Caazapá, one of Paraguay’s poorest regions.
The community’s population – consisting mainly of German, Austrian and Swiss immigrants – will eventually swell from 150 to 3,000, according to the owners.
The project’s website bills it as “by far the largest urbanization and settlement project in South America”, describing the colony as a refuge from “socialist trends of current economic and political situations worldwide” – as well as “5G, chemtrails, fluoridated water, mandatory vaccinations and healthcare mandates”.
Immigration to the colony has stepped up since the start of the Covid-19 pandemic, with residents interviewed on its YouTube channel attributing their move to scepticism about the virus and vaccines.
Caazapá, a rural region dominated by cattle ranching in the heart of lush eastern Paraguay, saw a jump from four new German residents in 2019 to 101 in 2021, according to official figures. “Anti-vaxxer” immigrants have also been reported settling in other parts of Paraguay.
One German citizen who lives nearby and who does business with Paraíso Verde, cited discredited conspiracy theories about coronavirus vaccines to explain the surge. They claimed that Paraguay’s accommodating immigration laws have proved attractive to Germans who want to “escape the matrix” and flee the “deep state and one world order”.
“Many older people are coming. They understand that many people are dying in care homes [after vaccination],” said the German, who asked not to be named. “And the others, in their 40s, are trying to bring their children over here to escape.”
But the appearance of an insular colony of Europeans has been watched with concern by some in the nearby the regional capital, also named Caazapá.
“Why are they here? We don’t know, but we want to find out,” said Rodney Mereles, a former municipal councillor.
On its YouTube channel, Paraíso Verde shares videos describing the pandemic which has killed some 5.5 million people as “non-existent”, promoting false, dangerous Covid “miracle cures”, and advertising Paraguay as a country without pandemic restrictions – despite the government’s clear health protocols.
Even as Paraguay recorded the world’s highest Covid death rate per capita in June 2021, the colony shared videos of large parties in violation of restrictions.
In Germany, sections of society radicalised by the refugee crisis of 2015 have proved a fertile ground for disinformation and conspiracy theories about the pandemic. The far-right Alternative für Deutschland party has tried to revive its waning electoral fortunes by railing against lockdown measures, mask mandates and vaccines.
And a small minority of those sceptics have decided to head abroad, with Bulgaria reported as another popular destination.
The presence in Caazapá of a large group of Covid skeptics worries local health authorities. Dr Nadia Riveros, Caazapá’s head of public health, said the pandemic had been devastating for the region, which has no ICU beds and only one fully equipped ambulance.
“We don’t want to go through that again. I think foreigners, wherever they’re from, should have to get vaccinated before entering the country,” she said.
And as Paraguay faces a quickly escalating third wave of Covid while struggling to improve on the second-lowest vaccination rate in South America, the health ministry announced this month that non-resident foreigners entering the country must now present vaccination certificates.
At least six German nationals without vaccination certificates have been refused entry since this new regulation came into force.
Paraguay has a long and sometimes troubled history of inward-looking immigrant colonies driven by ideological and religious zeal. Settlement projects by Mennonites, Australian socialists and the Unification church among others have all left marks on the country.”
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I think whatever you want to call it , communism , fascism. socialism , its always about control , I know we’ve read and heard so much about Hitler and its all true . He was for sure one of the most evil people to ever live , as was Josef Stalin and many more down through history . The fact of the matter is that evil is still alive and well in the world today and it always will be until the return of Christ . Jer 17:9 The heart is more deceitful than anything else , and incurable – who can understand it . It boggles my mind that as we grapple with a flu/cold virus and look at it as if its the plague of all plagues , close to 10,000 children continue to die a day from hunger related illnesses ., yes that is everyday . Child sex trafficking along with human trafficking has surpassed everything as far as crimes go . Here in Canada according to a few police officers I know it is tops on the list and Montreal being one of the hubs . I just don’t get it, sometime we are so caught up in our own little bubbles we refuse to see anything else as long its not affecting us . And yes there are many on the front lines for these issues , i just think that sometimes even as Christians were just so wrapped up in ourselves its awful.
The only truth is the word of God , There is nothing new under the sun .
Thanks for listening , Blessings to all .
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Leo,
Hope it’s ok for.me to post this. Here’s an interview with Mr. Whitehead.
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@ Dale Ann January 28, 2022 at 8:43 pm
Please tell me why you mentioned Rev 3:10 and tell me who do you think Rev 3:10 was addressed to.
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Anthony, I was referencing: https://www.rev310.net/, Pete Garcia.
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Every word in the Bible is addressed to the Jews, the ‘church’ and, when appropriate, to unbelievers. It was the Word of God which convicted me of my need for a Saviour. Therefore Revelation 3:10 is addressed to all whose spirits quicken when reading it and those are the ones who have the Holy Spirit dwelling within them. However, it would bless the Lord tremendously if you did not now take His Word and use it as a knife, or arrow, to injure somebody else with it just to prove you are right and they are wrong. Rather like the devil did with Jesus in the wilderness. After all, I don’t know about you but our walk is supposed to be one of faith is it not?
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@ Chris Madder January 30, 2022 at 10:10 pm
You say:
Every word in the Bible is addressed to the Jews, the ‘church’ and, when appropriate, to unbelievers. It was the Word of God which convicted me of my need for a Saviour. Therefore Revelation 3:10 is addressed to all whose spirits quicken when reading it and those are the ones who have the Holy Spirit dwelling within them. However,
My answer:
To understand Rev 3:10 you need to read it in it’s proper context.
Rev 3:10 was addressed to a specific church in Philadelphia which was located in Asia Minor. If you read Rev:2 and 3 the full chapters you will notice that there were seven churches mentioned and that each church received a message which was specific to them and their own specific circumstances at that particular time.
Christians were going through much tribulation at that time. If you read the message to the church in Smyrna you will see that they they were going through tribulation which would lead to them being imprisoned and that they were told to be faithful unto death. So the message to them was different and was addressed specifically to them.
Read it for yourself
Rev 2;8-10
8And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
9I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
10Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
So even Christians at that time had to go through tribulation.
The pretribbers invent the notion that the letter to the church in Philadelphia is for the present day Church in an effort to support their false narrative. But it clearly is not.
You say:
it would bless the Lord tremendously if you did not now take His Word and use it as a knife, or arrow, to injure somebody else with it just to prove you are right and they are wrong.
My answer:
The word of God is described as two edged sword which cuts through the marrow. I am using it as God intended.
Read this verse Hebrews 4:12
“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
So the word of God angers those who are not in the truth because it exposes them for what they are.
The word of God is also a very important part of a Christian’s armour.
Ephesians 6:17
Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
You say:
Rather like the devil did with Jesus in the wilderness. After all, I don’t know about you but our walk is supposed to be one of faith is it not?
My answer:
Christian faith is based on God’s truth and not on man made fantasies which do not comply with the teachings of Jesus and His apostles.
When I use the word heretic, I don’t do it lightly. But somebody who persistently pushes a lie despite having been repeatedly challenged and told the truth, can no longer plead ignorance. They are opposing the truth of God in favour of their own false doctrine. A person who does this is a heretic and may be guilty of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
It is my Christian duty to tell the truth and to warm those who are misleading other Christians that God will judge them for their actions.
So fear God and stop taking the scriptures out of context in order to support your false narrative.
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Do you know if you are the calibre of those who will be in ‘heaven’ with ‘Jesus’, I am quite pleased that I – according to you – will not be with you! However, I thank God that I will be with Jesus Christ of Nazareth Who has so much grace He saved a wretched sinner like me to dwell with Him forever. Enjoy your ‘legalistic heaven’ whilst I and many other failures (according to you) enjoy the grace and love and acceptance of the One Who died for them to set them free from the consequences of their sins, who have turned in childlike faith to the Saviour of the world Who has, in no wise, cast them out.
PS the ‘Chris’ is short for Christine and my middle name is Mary, my mother’s name was Mary Walker Madder, she came from the Isle of Ely where Madder is a common name, but she had no idea who my father was – oh, yes, we are all English.
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Julia, have you reverted back to your maiden name?
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This is an excellent article about the danger of the growing Nazism within our government and culture. The author is a well known liberal but this one is very alert, sensible and knowledgeable. Worth reading this article whatever your political persuasions https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/compartmentalization-bureaucratization
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There are some theories that these battling ideologies, Nazism and Communism, didn’t end with WWII. I think that is pretty evident today that is has not, at least in some comparisons. Many in the West actually admired Hitler before the war and it wouldn’t surprise me if we saw an outright resurgence of Nazism take hold. Nazism was very much like Communism in its social constructs. Perhaps what we think we are seeing with the Great Reset’s regard for China is a front. Maybe they are just stealing ideas and using the Chinese to set up their more Nazi-like authoritarian rule?
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Steve you are spot on. If you look at the Chinese system it is much closer to Fascism than communism. Also, if you look at the vision of the World Economic Forum they see themselves as “the premier advocate of public-private partnerships,” which is just an updated form of fascism — big government and big business working together to enslave the people.
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You are very right. There is a Nazi-communist rivalry going on globally and the big prize is the US. It’s strange how China’s economy is fascist but their government remains communist and in control of the domestic and foreign corporations. Here large global corporations are going fascist but instead of government control of them, our government is controlled by them through their lobbyists, bribery, threats to government officials which then passes those threats onto us, completely ignoring our constitutional rights. I don’t know how we can beat this back. The game will be over if we are forced into digital currencies and vaccine passports and social surveillance such as the Chinese have. Britain already has 24/7 social surveillance. That scenario is coming to pass everywhere very soon. The China social control model is certainly being used in more and more places, like Australia. I’ve heard that we can fight back by refusing to fund this monster by withdrawing our funds from the big banks and stop shopping at online corporations like Amazon and trading instead with local small businesses, becoming more self sufficient. The global economy that has developed is proving to be the pathway to our subjugation. We need to withdraw from it if we hope to keep any semblance of freedom.
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Reblogged this on By the Blood of the Lamb.
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Kayjae , a little debating of the scripture is good for the soul, this is how the body of Christ grows together , besides the current affairs of the day is Jesus is coming back soon, Hallelujah !
Blessings
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Frank M I do so agree with you that it is good to debate issues, however when Leo has respectfully requested that we do not use this forum as that type of platform they I agree with Leo..
I will not therefore debate that issue here, however when any begin such comments here and when I note that comment to be extremely flawed then I usually make a clear comment as I did much earlier without being personal then I normally leave it at that. You might have noticed that I have considered a response to me was rude and that is what I said. I did not continue any debate about the Rapture.. I would love to engage a dialogue of respect elsewhere.
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This is NOT the forum to be debating pre-trib, post-trib, or rapture or anti-rapture interpretations of The Book of Revelation. There are other places for that. This is a current affairs blog. It would be much more productive to keep discussions to the subject indicated by the article, and not indulge in interminable and very debatable Biblical speculations, which quickly turn belligerent, useless and tedious to read. If we are of the same mind that our civilization is under attack and it is our wish to save it, then we ought to be fostering understanding of and how to deal with our present situation, instead of attacking each other in nasty debate, allowing the devil to triumph over our divisions.
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I do so agree with you but Williams is renowned for being rude so I decided to be very matter of fact back. This is what you get when posts are not moderated. I know many who have been put off reading these posts any more purely for people like Williams. I have to admit I dangled the carrot of pre-tribulation rapture, purely to see if he was still around and still being rude. At least I can say I was not disappointed in either count!
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Truth. Blesings Mr. Leo
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Anthony Williams, yep, as I surmised you give the impression of being an extremely rude and arrogant man and were I shown all the things you have written to people I would have difficulty in believing you walk with God (I am not suggesting you do not, just that your actions do not seem to back up your conversion) because I see no grace in what you say, whatsoever. Personally I truly do not care if you do not believe in the pre-tribulation rapture as long as you are seeking to tell everyone you meet about what Jesus has done for you and their future destiny if they do not turn to Him. Just as those of us who believe in the pre-tribulation rapture are doing. Please note, though, none of us need to suggest that what you believe is ungodly, we would not be so rude. We will just delight in saying “I told you so” when Jesus takes us all home before the Tribulation.
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There are numerous times in the apostle Paul’s writings that he corrected people and plenty of time it was the brethren, and I’ll bet It wasn’t always courteous. Yes indeed we should always be gentle in speech and our actions should be full of grace . I am very aware of my flesh and it’s desire and proceed daily to put it under the authority of Christ . I do not claim to be an expert when it comes to scripture it is a continuous learning process and have no problem to be corrected .
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@Chris Madder. I have a question for you , was Jesus courteous every time He spoke to the pharisees & the governing authorities .
And I seem to recall you corrected someone the other day with the words haha ha ha , when we point fingers there’s always some pointing back at us
There is no one righteous not even one Romans 3 , constructive discussion towards the word will help us all
Blessings
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Thank you for pointing out my very obvious sins, I am still battling that one but I will go back again to my Lord and ask Him to forgive me and help me to become more like Him.
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Very gracious, Chris. Oh, to be more like our Saviour!!!
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I yearn for that with all my heart and the one scripture which keeps me in hope is that “He Whos has begun a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” Philippians 1:6 but then that is one of my most favourite chapters in the Word of God. Thank you for your lovely words.
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I have friends who live somwhere in a very small country in Europe and they have been banned from virtually everywhere whether commercial or medical because they have not been injected. No great surprise I hear you say – except they have been subjected to this since the beginning of August last year but where they live is not large enough to be spoken about and so other European countries are being touted as badly treating people whereas they have only just started.
By the way I, and my friends, are not expecting civil war or any kind of war as we believe Jesus has promised to take His Bride home before the Tribulation kicks off. And, no, I will not be producing scripture after scripture to back up my point, although I have plenty of them, because I have seen, on this blog, that the Word of God is used with such disrespect that I will not bring it into disrepute.
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We need to respect one another. Especially if we’re fellow Christians.
God bless.
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It would seem that Mr Anthony William has not quite got that under his belt as of yet!
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@ Rachhel January 27, 2022 at 3:53 pm
If you respect your fellow Christian, you don’t courteously watch somebody lead them astray for the sake of being at peace with them. There is a time when pleasantries just don’t cut it.
Those who discard the truth in favour of pleasantries are in dangerous territory.
Remember what happened to Peter when he argued against what Jesus must go through. Peter resisted the truth that the Messiah must suffer even though it was foretold in Isaiah 53
And having taken him aside, Peter began to rebuke him, saying, ‘Be kind to thyself, sir; this shall not be to thee;’
and he having turned, said to Peter, ‘Get thee behind me, adversary! thou art a stumbling-block to me, for thou dost not mind the things of God, but the things of men.’
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But then Jesus knew what is in a man’s heart and He knew exactly where Peter’s comment was coming from, however, I am not so sure that is a gift which has been given to His disciples.
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It’s been fun, we must do it again, some time.
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Anthony William, that would apply if they were counseling me to do something wrong. I have no control over how Christ returns, nor do you nor anyone else on earth.
If–let us say–Chris Madder were encouraging someone to commit adultery, telling them, “God wants you happy,” such harsh language would be justified. But he is not.
Hypothetical scenario., Chris. No offense meant.
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No offense taken, except I am not a ‘him’ that is what caused the man you referred to consider that I am Mr Pomeroy – I cannot tell you how glad I am not to be a man, yikes!
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You will not be producing scriptures to back up your point because the false pretribulation rapture doctrine cannot stand up to fair biblical scrutiny, and you know it.
You are disrespecting the word of God by denying what it actually says.
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I started to bring this to your attention the other day, Anthony:
Luke 9:49 “And John answered and said, ‘Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us’. 50 And Jesus said unto him, ‘Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us’.
You have a dogmatic, accusatory spirit I pray you will rebuke. You do realize who is the “accuser of the brethren”? As has already been stated, you can be shown myriad Scriptures regarding the Rapture but it seems it would be more beneficial for you to find out for yourself. At the end of the Tribulation is the least sensible stance. Jack Kelly over at gracethrufaith has some excellent material, as does Rev310. Plenty of resources to at least contemplate.
When you throw around “heretic”, as you did the other day, do you realize what you’re saying? That’s a rhetorical question for thought.
No need to answer with name-calling– that’s not a decent debate.
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Actually there a remarkable number of scriptures that answer all of your comments. They support a pretibulation rapture and are significantly biblical. For you to condemn any who accept them identifies your many serious flaws. As far as this post this week is concerned I have no further comment.
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@ Chris Madder
You have made a lot of separate comments with no reply option under some of them, so I will try to respond to them in this comment as best I can.
My post to Pomeroy was to point out the error in the pretribulation rapture lie and to caution Pomeroy about promoting the lie and to promote reading the bible. Pomeroy consistently pushes this false doctrine despite not being able to support it with the bible. I am conscious of other Christians who may be steered away from the truth by the false pretribuilation rapture fantasy.
You say:
do you consider it acceptable to curse somebody who is not actually preaching another gospel as Paul refers to in his first letter to the church in Corinth?
My answer:
I curse no one but should somebody preach a gospel other than that preached by Christ and His apostles then I must agree with Paul when he says “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:8)
As I have said before the gospel is the sum of all it’s parts. The return of Jesus Christ is a very important part of the gospel message. So somebody who promotes a doctrine that distorts the teaching of Christ and His apostles with regard to this very important gospel truth is preaching a false gospel because they have departed from the true gospel preached by Christ and His apostles.
You say :-
“Strangely enough I thought that everybody who believes in their heart that Jesus was raised from the dead and confesses with their mouths that He is Lord is a Christian and that settles it, they cannot lose their salvation”
My answer
I never said otherwise. God knows the heart and whether somebody’s faith is God given or just an academic carnal faith.. One of the signs of true faith is adherence to the teaching of Jesus Christ and His apostles. I simply tell the truth in accordance with what the bible says. Salvation results in an ongoing sanctification of the Christian . God’s work of salvation in the Christian is ongoing and will be perfected when Jesus returns with His angels. When we see Him we shall be like Him. Salvation isn’t limited to a two minute prayer.
You say :-
You truly do not run away from being offensive.
My answer
The truth is offensive to those who want to believe a lie. Christ caused a lot of offense when he challenged the false teachings of the Pharisees.
Jesus said “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword”. Mat 10:34
You say :
I am so glad that one of the most brilliant things God has given us is His grace – not something you appear to know if you are happy to consign somebody to His judgment.
My answer :
The grace of God should not be confused with passiveness where a Christian refuses to challenge false doctrine for the sake of being seen as a nice person. That is a false love and empty of any real concern for other Christians. It’s that sort of empty false love that has allowed the apostate church to thrive. The apostate church is full of agreeable non offensive, so called Christians who are on their way to hell.
You say:
I will not be producing scripture after scripture to back up my point, although I have plenty of them, because I have seen, on this blog, that the Word of God is used with such disrespect that I will not bring it into disrepute.
My answer:
You will not be producing scriptures to back up your point because the false pretribulation rapture doctrine cannot stand up to fair biblical scrutiny, and you know it.
You are disrespecting the word of God by denying what it actually says and twisting it’s meaning in vain effort to make it fit into the false pretribulation doctrine.
I leave you to God’s judgement.
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Chris Madder..I also believe as Anthony William does that Jesus Oliver Discourse is meant for the church and that is why the Apostle Paul quotes Matt 24 nearly 30 times in 1 & 2 Thessalonians.
I was pre-trib for almost 40 years till I was challenged by my son to read for myself without any “taught” doctrine and to just pray for the truth in the clear meaning of the text.
I will never go back to pre-trib for it was a false teaching that is the opposite of what Christ taught His disciples
The Apostles teaching called the Didache is another proof they followed this teaching in Matt 24 and knew the church would face the great Tribulation under the man of sin.
I appreciate Anthony Williams directness and firm stand for the truth as it seems we are nearing the opening of the seals …..the time to be ready and heed the warnings of our Savior is now. Behold I have told you in advance. Mat 24 v 25.
Blessings
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@ shalom51 January 28, 2022 at 3:03 am 👍
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Chris,
I too believe in the Rapture, I would consider myself pre-trib, but I think mid-trib is also possible. I look at it this way, there have been many sufferings throughout history. Wars, famine, persecution, disasters, etc. I think that we in America will see some harsh times in the very near future, and quite possibly before the Rapture. I believe we are in the end times, but who knows how long we have until the final seven years? I think it’s a good idea to try and be prepared as best you can be, and let the Lord fill in the gaps.
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Thank you for that balanced comment, however, my future is in God’s hands, He has not done a bad job up to now of my life so I reckon I can trust Him for that which is to come. Should the rapture not occur when I believe it will, it will not faze me in the slightest I love Him way too much for that to happen, I will just continue to trust. But I will not be making any other preparations than those I am making at the moment and that is to ensure nobody comes into my life, even if only briefly, without knowing about Jesus and what He has done for us, that and loving God with all my heart, mind, soul and strength is all that He has asked me to do and I will seek to obey.
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I think it is wrong to use the word “holocaust” to describe the genocide of six million Jewish people.
The word holocaust refers to the burnt offering to God in the old testament and was a holy offering.
What the Germans did was not a holy offering in obedience to God . It was murder in violation of the sixth commandment.
I’ve read that the word “Shoah” is preferred by speakers of Hebrew instead of holocaust. Shoah is the Hebrew word for “catastrophe” and is used to describe the genocide of six million Jews.
The word holocaust is an insult to many Jews.
“The word holocaust is a theological affront to Jews, and an insult to the memory of those who were murdered, a shoah is what actually occurred.”
I prefer to call it the ‘Jewish Genocide’ when commenting to English speaking people.
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Good point.
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Thanks Leo! The Date of this John Whitehead Book says a lot! -“Battlefield America: The War On The American People Hardcover – April 14, 2015
by John W. Whitehead (Author)….. He was writing Truth about what was beginning BEFORE this CON_vid crapola even began! The Signs were Everywhere and we did Nothing! 9-11-2001 and what all that followed and We did Nothing or very little!
So many brain dead Bushites couldn’t fathom the possibility that the stinkin Bush (Sherff) family could be a part of such a diabolical plan! No One was willing to take any time to do any Research and connect the dots!… That Fat-Toad Dicky Chainsaw started Financing/Building FE-MA Camps right before September the Eleventh Two Thousand and One! (Boy George used to say it that way)….. He ALSO SAID That The U.S Constitution ” Is Just a G.D Piece of Paper!”….. NO One questioned him on it!
He Also said “A dictator-ship would Be A Helluva Lot Easier… Providing I’m The Dictator!”….NO One questioned him on it!… Bloody useless War on “Finding Those Nasty Weapons of Mass Destruction!’… All of those Innocent Afghan and Iraq Citizens killed (Besides 3000 of our own on 911)…
And then came Obama-(Jade Helm and buying up several Billion rounds of
ammo, and signing some Law that the gubberment could lock up any American Indefinitely) ..and Trump and his Warp Speed and he Now is Pushing the Jab..
…Over 20 yrs later HERE WE ARE! Can we really say well We Couldn’t See it Coming?
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kgazin,
I *can* say that I did all I could to put Godly people in the government and it did squat once I turned 18 (just after the presidential election in 2004) and could finally vote. I voted against Obama twice (though not impressed by McCain or Romney) and voted for Trump because I knew what we would be getting with Hilary, and Trump was a very pleasant surprise in many respects. I’d rather have someone who talks trash yet does good over someone who talks pretty and does evil. Which is what the world is going to get with the Antichrist, since people *in general* like to have their ears tickled by flatteries and deceit.
The problem is that we made the right choices, but still get to be miserable because most everyone else made wrong choices. But at least I can say with a clear conscience: this mess isn’t my fault and I fought it every way I could.
“The Trouble Ain’t That There Is Too Many Fools, But That the Lightning Ain’t Distributed Right”
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I get irritated with all these articles ending with calls for action. What are we SUPPOSED to do?
I pray, vote, and sign petitions, but have no power.
Protests aren’t solving anything. And–for now–there’s nothing to protest in my state. And I’m too weak due to my FM to spend 8 hours marching around, chanting, and waving a sign.
It just seems that every federal government of every powerful nation wants to commit democide. One way this is different from the Holocaust is there are no “Mensch.” Just a tiny group of the “Uber Mensch” and the “Unter Mensch.” They will kill most of the latter and allow a few to survive as lab subjects and slaves.
I guess God will intervene when the time is right. But aside from a little prepping and trying to wake neighbors up there’s nothing I can do. Other than pray and wait.
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@ Rachel Nichols January 26, 2022 at 7:36 pm
Hello Rachel
The instructions for a unicycle I bought said “ride within your limits”. This was good advice as it could be quite risky should the rider try to exceed his capabilities.
So my advice to you would be to accept your limits and not be so hard on yourself. We all have limits and we must learn to operate within those limits otherwise our efforts become counter productive.
The little bit that each of us does is having an impact. By exposing the evil agenda and by helping fellow Christians to stay in the truth we are making a meaningful contribution. God bears in mind our abilities when he considers our efforts.
I remember the poor widow who threw what little she had into the offering box. Jesus considered her contribution to be greater than the large sums put in by the rich people
I’ve read a little about FM fibromyalgia and it must be very stressful at time s, as you try to get things done. Does it affect your sleep ? I went through a period when I had difficulty sleeping and it was a terrible experience.
I often mention you in my prayers.
So I will remember your FM when I mention you in prayers tonight. I will pray that God will help you cope with your illness and not let it get you down.
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You’re doing exactly right, Rachel. “Pray without ceasing”. (1 Thessalonians 5:17). We have the ONLY hope in Christ. As distressing as it is to watch the world flounder and turn a deaf ear & blind eye, keep the faith!!
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“I get irritated with all these articles ending with calls for action. What are we SUPPOSED to do?”
I agree. God hasn’t even made clear what job I should apply for, and I am a rocket scientist, programmer, investor, engineer, and CAD technician department head (CAD is computer assisted design, not being a jerk). 😉
If I can’t even afford to get food, then what are we supposed to do? I can’t help others besides prayer and kind words, which really don’t really help squat in the end. I can’t even help myself. God has to ACT on our behalf! I feel helpless and useless, but what else is possible?
I am sick of everything, even life. I’ve been trying hard to do what I’m supposed to, obey God, honor my parents, and do every little thing they have shoved at me (particularly God). Has anyone else noticed that when they obey God then bad things happen? Is it just me?
I will be honest, even if I *could* do something, at this point I am not sure I want to. It’s like all those battles fought by the Israelites – God either shows up or we’re getting curbstomped into oblivion. And frankly after 36 years I just don’t feel like trying anymore only to be disappointed by God. Take me outta here, I am *tired*…
Besides, I don’t think we’re supposed to win. The Antichrist is supposed to come, and it seems like a Catch-22: try to fight what is coming and you’re going against God’s Will, but don’t fight it and you’re knuckling under to Evil. I am losing it, I can’t bring myself to really care anymore because this entire life is one big cowflop. I know the cure, but suicide is impermissible. So… I guess God just wants us to be miserable.
I am really hoping Matthew 24:3-13 is talking about during the Tribulation and there IS a pre-Trib Rapture. I fear it is talking about the time leading up to the Rapture before the Tribulation, though, so it’s going to get hairy. Heh, you’d think that’d be a good thing since we’re probably all running out of hair to pull…
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Oh no, so FM means fibromyalgia? I was wondering about that. My heart goes out to you, Rachel, I understand a little bit. I damaged my hand just before Mother’s Day 2019 and couldn’t sleep for 4 days from pain, couldn’t digest anything or even take medicine cause it passed through from stress (lost 45 pounds in two weeks), and couldn’t use my hand for 7 months from pain and soft tissue damage to my tendons and muscles. Slept about 0-4 hours a night for 16 months straight, and also had gout in my hands, wrists, ankles, and feet for 18 months. All at the same time as I was in a physically abusive relationship.
Chronic pain can do a number on anyone and I’m sorry for you. You’ve mentioned other things from your past and so I guess we can kind of relate to each other. PAIN BAD.
Anthony, I will join you in praying for Rachel. As an aside, you would do well not to be so combative, and though your zeal is rather admirable your presentation leaves something to be desired.
Besides, whether you’re right and there is a post-tribulation rapture or others are right and it’s pre-trib makes little difference in the end as it isn’t a tenet central to the Gospel. People won’t end up in Hell if they’re wrong on THAT point. I have believed in both at various times in my life, first the view you espouse (because life is crap and God doesn’t usually protect us) but now pre-Trib because of the principle of Lot in Sodom and Gomorrah. When other humans are hurting us, God rarely intercedes, and frankly it angers me to no end because I feel like He isn’t fulfilling His promises. On the other hand, when God is dishing out the punishment Personally then He is very picky about who He hurts in Judgement, and the lamp/trumpet/bowl judgements are exactly that. ON TOP OF the misery on Earth due to the Antichrist’s “policies”. Hopefully we’re all Christian here and will all get to Heaven, and there’s enough pain in the body of believers now and coming without internal strife adding to it. Other Christians aren’t your enemies. Hopefully. If they are, then there is something very wrong.
Now if someone gets on here and starts preaching clear heresy that would lead others to Hell, then by all means… GET’EM!!
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Then I suggest you read Ephesians 6, especially verses 10 to 18. The Word of God is our weapon and we wield it in prayer. We are not called to be physically fighting, (how can you fight a demon?) that’s the job of Almighty God’s angels. We are called to pray and intercede and it is only those who are disciples of Jesus Christ who have this God-given ability. Pray, brother, pray and trust God for the rest.
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OOOOh my this sounds so like the information I recently came upon with regard to Vera Sharav. There is much to understand by listening to this Lady,, she is a survivor of the holocaust and has been researching all of this for many years. Virtually everything that I have previously been concerned about she has confirmed and provided more information. I believe that this continues to become worse until our Holy spirit takes us out of here and then of course everything degenerates into the Tribulation and then God’s wrath begins.
John Whitehead may well have been reading her comments. Do listen to her on this video:-
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vera-sharav-never-again-is-now-unless-we-all-resist/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=26cf2504-60c3-4d8d-826f-e930553c5dbc
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@ Pomeroy January 26, 2022 at 7:01 pm
The bible does not say that the Holy spirit takes us out of here.
You need to put away your fiction and start reading the bible.
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Oh dear, it looks as though I have stumbled onto a blog where it is anything goes and being rude and attacking others, despite how much it might grieve the Holy Spirit, is the order of the day. I don’t think I will be often on this site if you are an example of the sort of courteous response one can expect from somebody who does not agree with them. Obviously you were not brought up to be courteous. Thank God Jesus was and He only attacked the religious elite and hypocrites.
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@ Pomeroy January 26, 2022 at 7:01 pm
The bible says that it is the angels of Christ who take us out of here.
God’s elect will be gathered by His angels at the sound of the trumpet when Christ returns in glory with His angels. This happens AFTER the great tribulation as described in Mat 24.
The bible does not say that the Holy Spirit will be removed from the earth before the great tribulation.
You are bringing judgement on yourself every time you promote the pretribulation rapture lie.
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Gee whizz do you consider it acceptable to curse somebody who is not actually preaching another gospel as Paul refers to in his first letter to the church in Corinth? I am so glad that one of the most brilliant things God has given us is His grace – not something you appear to know if you are happy to consign somebody to His judgment. Strangely enough I thought that everybody who believes in their heart that Jesus was raised from the dead and confesses with their mouths that He is Lord is a Christian and that settles it, they cannot lose their salvation. Or is that up for grabs too by you? You truly do not run away from being offensive.
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You are correct! The parable of wheat and tares clearly says the tares are taken out before the wheat and the various “twos” working in the field etc. do not say they are taken to heaven but to the place where the vultures are.
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