SCOTUS strikes down Roe, giving HUGE victory to pro-lifers; Brace yourselves now for violent left-wing extremism that will shock America and reveal the true face of evil

108 thoughts on “SCOTUS strikes down Roe, giving HUGE victory to pro-lifers; Brace yourselves now for violent left-wing extremism that will shock America and reveal the true face of evil”

1. Hello Ed
   You quoted 1st Corinthians out of context.
   You quoted verses 45and 46 whilst for your own convenience you left out verse 44 which gives context to verses 45&46
   so let’s put the verses into their proper context as set out in verse 44

   44I It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
   45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
   46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

   Paul is simply making the comparison between the natural body and the glorified body which will be an immortal spiritual body.

   In Romans 8:16 Paul clearly says that we have a spirit.

   “The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God.”

   Here are some more scriptures which leave us in no doubt .
   Job 32:8
   “But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.”
   Proverbs 20:27
   27The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.
   Genesis 418
   8 And it came to pass in the morning that his spirit was troubled; and he sent and called for all the magicians of Egypt, and all the wise men thereof: and Pharaoh told them his dream; but there was none that could interpret them unto Pharaoh.

   These scriptures cannot be disputed. They clearly say that man has a spirit. But Ed, you are ignoring the scriptures which do not support your false notions. You are being dishonest with the scriptures. It is a sin to knowingly misrepresent the scriptures.

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   1. Thanks John.
      But, I did not interpret the passage in 1Cor.15. I simply quoted the passage showing that it said Adam was “not spiritual, but natural” because that is exactly what it says. Do you believe Paul? You gave your interpretation of the creation account and the events that transpired in the garden using words nowhere found in the Bible. Words that gave the opposite meaning from that which the scriptures plainly say.

      Did you see in Gen.3:22 that rather than Adam becoming all the horrible things you said he did, God said Adam became more like Him, not less like Him, when he ate the fruit? Let that sink in. And ask yourself these questions. Where would mankind be if Adam had not eaten the fruit? Could he have gone to heaven? Could he have inherited the kingdom of God as Peter says was God’s plan “from before the world was made”?

      The contrast Paul makes in 1Cor.15:45-50 is between a “not spiritual, but natural” first Adam and the last spiritual 2nd Adam(Jesus). Saying in vs.50 that the reason we need to be changed to be like Jesus is because “flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God”.

      Jesus said what is born of the flesh is flesh. Nothing more. Paul said the 1st Adam and his descendants who are all natural men from the time Adam was made can not perceive the things of the spirit. Neither can he know them for they are spiritually understood. 1Cor.2:14

      Gen.7:15,22 tell us that the breath you say is spirit that was breathed into man when he was made is the same breath breathed into all animals, birds, and creeping things. Do you now believe that all these have the same spirit in them that all men have?

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   2. Also John,
      In Rom.8 and other places where Paul says we have a spirit he is referring to those people who have been born of the Spirit. Not the natural men that he said can not perceive the things of the spirit.

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2. John, in my first reply I didn’t address the scriptures you pointed out to keep my reply from getting too long.
   In addressing then here I will reply concerning the “souls that cry out how long o Lord”.

   This is the same as when God told Cain that “the voice of thy brother’s blood crieth unto me from the ground”. Abel himself didn’t cry out and neither do these who were beheaded.

   The distinction you find between body and soul is not the intent of the scripture. But, the perversion of it based on your preconceived ideas. The body and soul is the body which is the soul. The soul as defined in the Genesis account as a body that breathes air that makes it alive. God called this a living soul.

   These are just a couple of examples that show the fallacy of the “all men have a spirit when they are born” false doctrine.

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3. Lynn’s comment is very similar to Bill Gate’s comment which said “… And it puts women’s lives at risk, especially the most disadvantaged.”

   Do you really believe Gate’s cares about the poor? Look at all the medical experimentation he has done in Africa and India. Killing or sterilizing thousands of people in his quest for profits, not to mention what he has done here with the experimental gene therapy.

   This is really a strawman argument. Gate’s and others on the left care nothing about the poor. Is it not immoral to have the incredible income inequality we have here in the United States. There should be no poor in the United States, but people’s selfishness and greed is off the charts. Is Bill Gates, or others in the 1% a thousand times better that us? Are the tax laws immoral that allow him to pay a smaller percentage of taxes on his income than the working class?

   What about Biden’s and the WEF’s adoption of the green new deal without a vote. (no uproar about a threat to our democracy for that) Forcing 99% of American’s to have to choose between food or gas, while they tell us to just buy an electric car in their morally superior tone. Does this not impact whether the poor can travel to another state for an abortion? Is the imposition of this policy immoral?

   I was born in CA. I and many others had to leave because of the destructive policies the left imposed on us. Any pro abortion people can up and leave their state and move to NY or CA, just like I had to move. If you don’t like it, leave! (and take your hypocrisy with you)

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   1. Anyone leaving a Red State for a Blue State because of their beliefs in the ‘sanctity’ of the right to an abortion deserves every awful result they suffer from that decision.

      Interesting to hear that all the Planned Parenthood clinics in states outlawing abortion are closing down. Gee, I thought PP was a varied service for women that went far beyond abortion. Seems now that their murder industry is no longer viable they are shutting their doors. Who could have predicted that?!

      Praise God for the Light of His TRUTH which is finally shining through all of the lies of the evil one.

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      1. Well said Robin. PP is synonymous with child murder.

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4. To those responding to my previous comment, thank you for sharing. I personally see this as a clash of belief systems, which is pretty common in our world nowadays.

   For example, look at nations with large numbers of Muslim immigrants trying to get their governments to enforce Sharia Law. Muslims are no less committed to their beliefs of what God wants than Christians. And yet I’m sure most everyone here would not want Sharia Law enforced by our legal authorities. (Women in particular!)

   Some people believe the “soul” does not take possession of the body until right around the time of birth. Some also believe departed souls move on to another incarnation, i.e. reincarnation. Right or wrong, it’s another belief system many have. This belief system can make abortion seem less severe.

   Muslims. Christians. New Age. Secular. It’s one thing to have a set of beliefs. It’s quite another to have those beliefs imposed on everyone else.

   So should Muslims get their Sharia Law enforced on the rest of us? Should Christians get their laws enforced on the rest of us? How about New Age believers making it a law everyone chants and meditates for 30 minutes a day?

   The challenge in an open and diverse society is to accommodate everyone. I don’t claim to have the answers. I’m just questioning.

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   1. You seem to assume all these religions are equal in understanding the oracles and laws of God and they are not, primarily because they are not equal in their origins. I believe only one was given to us by God; the rest are man created, which makes for a vast difference in forming the perspective of what is a human and what is man in relation to God. I live in a Judeo-Christian culture, my ancestors came from that, I believe in it and study it because it’s worth studying, and that’s what I want preserved. I find it a tragedy that our times has dumped this culture that made our society, its glorious arts, codified its human rights and replaced it with today’s moral, legal, artistic and spiritual nihilism. We have not “progressed” from a single unified culture to a “diverse” society; instead we are losing our way by having these contradictory multiplicities imposed upon us, dissolving our culture and the codes that hold it together. It increasingly looks like we are being required to commit cultural suicide first by relativizing and then abandoning our beliefs and ethos to accommodate “diversity” as if that’s the sole virtue we should aim for. Ancient Rome tolerated 200 religions within its city limits; yet there was one law and ethos for all—Roman law and the Roman way, which made it endure for centuries. Where Roman law overstepped itself is when it required worship of the emperor as god, something Christians and Jews would not do.

      What a nation believes makes a difference in how it will live and endure. I certainly would not want to live under the Aztec religion with their mass bloody human sacrifices their cruel gods demanded and the resulting general cruelty of their culture. Nor under Sharia law which has plenty of retribution, but no mercy and women are less than human—a rather anti-human religion since they understand God as an unapproachable Master to whom the people submit themselves like slaves. (unlike Christianity where God is our Father and we his children). New Age is not a religion but mostly a modern spiritual consumerism crafted to individual tastes and having no tradition, just private imaginations—who knows what New Agers believe from one moment to another. So how can a New Ager craft a moral code? We could go on. But most of the major world religions at the very least do have certain moral basics-something like the Code of Hammurabi to arrive at justice and order. We happen to live In the Judeo-Christian context and from my understanding of it which I think is merciful, life-affirming and very pro-human, I would not want to trade that off for something less. So the calls to “diversity” in regard to determining the common law is a call to meaninglessness—it is just confusion and if we pursue “diversity” we will end up with chaos.

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   2. Hello Lynn
      I will respond to this comment for the sake of Christians who may have read it.

      Once conception takes place the foetus is an individual complete with all of his/her potential
      Once conceived, the foetus creates its own blood and its own cells and blood type!!. A foetus evolves in the womb all by itself as the mother feeds and shelters it
      For those who would argue that the foetus is not yet a fully developed human being I would say that neither is a young child. So does that mean that we have the right to terminate the life of a young eight year old?

      But the foetus has all the potential to grow into a fully developed human being.
      As a Christian I know that the blood is the life of a human being and so the foetus creating it’s own blood shows that it is a life in itself, a living human being.

      Once conception has taken place the foetus is an individual entity with all of it’s own potential . The foetus is a human being. To terminate a pregnancy is to deny that human being of all his/her potential. So to abort a foetus for convenience sake may be deemed to be murder.

      You argue that the soul may or may not be in the foetus but we know that tests done show that the unborn child responds to outside stimulants such as touch, and sound . After being born, a baby can still remember music he/she heard while in the womb .

      There is no reason to separate the soul from the foetus as you have suggested.
      The soul is inextricably linked to the life of a person which begins with the conception of a human being. The soul being spiritual is not confined by space so there is no reason to believe that the foetus does not have a soul.

      Here are some scriptures which clearly show that it is God himself who purposes our conception and is actively involved in the development of the foetus.

      (Psalm 139:13) “For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.”
      Isaiah 44:1-2 ” But now listen, O Jacob My servant, Israel, whom I have chosen. 2 This is the word of the LORD, your Maker, who formed you from the womb and who will help you:
      Job 31:15 Did not he that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?

      When Mary being pregnant with Christ himself visited Elizabeth John the Baptist who was in the womb of Elizabeth, jumped foe joy.
      Joy is an emotion which comes from the soul so John clearly had a soul whilst still in the womb.

      Luke 1:44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

      So those who believe that life is only precious after birth had better think again.

      I thought at first that Leo’s reaction was too emotional but having considered the matter more I realise that Leo displayed a righteous anger against the the wanton murders of millions of innocent lives and against those who might seek to make excuses for such dreadful behaviour.

      When it comes to the murder of millions of innocent lives hypothetical arguments should not be used to detract from this present gruesome reality.

      People are campaign against deaths being caused by the war in Ukraine whilst at the same ignoring the lives that are needlessly being lost in their own country to abortion.

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      1. With a few exceptions that was a great response Anthony. The exceptions are the use of “evolves” in the 2nd paragraph rather than the word “grows”. Because from conception it is a human baby that “grows” to maturity. There is no evolutionary process that brings the child from being something else to become a human.

         And the 2nd is the use of the word “soul” and it’s explanation in paragraphs 5,6. This is a serious problem most encounter because of bad teaching. But, if we will believe what the Bible plainly teaches this can be solved.

         Gen.2:7 says that when a man has body, which of course includes the blood, and breath he is a “living soul”. And 1Cor.15:45,46 tells us that the difference between the first Adam and his descendants and the last Adam(Jesus) and His is that the first Adam was only natural and not spoiritual. While the 2nd is spiritual. So a living soul, what the fist Adam was when he was made, as well as all of his descendants, is a body with air in it. And has no spiritual part in him at all. It is only when we come to trust in Jesus that the new birth gives us the spirit we need to be children of God and heirs to His kingdom.

         This is why all men need to be born again to see the kingdom of God just as Jesus said. Because what is born of the flesh is only flesh. And only what is born of the Spirit is spirit.

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5. One of my favorite Biblical scholars, R.J. Rushdoony, in his The Institutes of Biblical Law (1973) wrote this about the law:

   1. The law is in every culture religious in origin
   2. The source of law is the god of that society
   3. Any change of law is an explicit or implicit change of religion
   4. No disestablishment of religion is possible in any society. A church can be disestablished, and a particular religion ca be supplanted by another, but the change is simply to another religion

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6. Leo,

   Regarding your comment “Lynn, every law is based on a moral principle…”, I hesitated in responding, but decided to anyway. My goal is not to anger anyone, but to perhaps present a wider perspective.

   To begin with, I understand the court decision only turns over the issue to the states. I had skipped by that with the assumption we were all on board with that understanding as the 50 states contemplate tightening or loosening from what was Roe vs Wade.

   My original point was never about debating the moral principles of abortion. As I stated earlier, in principle I’m against abortion. My point was and is, is it moral to have and enforce laws making abortion illegal?

   There are ten commandments, and yet only two are specifically targeted for laws and enforcement by our government, killing and stealing. (There are exceptions like lying on your taxes, but I’m talking about each commandment in general.)

   • You shall have no other God’s before me.
   • Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven images.
   • Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
   • Remember the Sabbath day and keep it Holy.
   • Honor your father and mother.
   • Thou shalt not kill.
   • Thou shalt not commit adultery.
   • Thou shalt not steal.
   • Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
   • Thou shall not covet.

   My guess is most Christians would not want the government enforcing those other eight commandments, even if only for pragmatic reasons.

   Let’s take stealing. If a person gets caught stealing and is found guilty, the law punishes them regardless of their financial status. (Okay, sure. The rich can hire better lawyers and will usually fair better, but that’s a different discussion.)

   However, many Christians believe abortion is murder, and violates one of the ten commandments, although many people DO NOT feel abort is murder. (Again, a different discussion.) But assuming abortion is considered murder and made illegal, for the rich this becomes a minor inconvience. They can easily travel to another state or country and get the highest quality health care available. For those with limited finances (the poor), travel is much tougher, if possible at all. The medical care they can afford will often not be of high quality, and could even be substandard and potentially dangerous, e.g. cheap black market abortions.

   So my question is this: Is it moral to make and enforce such a law that only punishes the poor?

   My follow-up question is: Christians believe God will ultimately have the final say on judgment and reward/punishment, so why is it so important that the government enforce a clearly discriminatory law?

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   1. Not just poor people steal. Bernie Madoff comes to mind. REALLY large amounts of wealth is almost always stolen by wealthier people, think embezzlement, insider trading, etc.

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   2. Your worldview is from a radical modernist, secular mindset and therefore antithetical to mine, so it’s hard to even respond to what me sounds like contrived nonsense. Your words are neither logical nor reasonable to the mind renewed by Jesus Christ. Just one example: “Discriminatory.” You consider it somehow a handicap, a disadvantage, for a woman not to be able to murder her offspring. That is outrageous on its face. Your god is clearly Molech, even though you don’t realize it, because you consider it gain to be able to kill a child in the womb. Those unable to offer up their child to the god of convenience and financial gain are somehow at a disadvantage. That is sick, and I truly hope you will seek out treatment for your sick soul. Anyone who can think this way is devoid of compassion and clearly can’t even think logically anymore and listen to the deathly words coming out of their own heart. All I can say is, God help you. I choose life, I defend life, and I will never apologize for that. Anyone spared the experience of a Planned Parenthood clinic is blessed, not, as you see it, cursed. But that’s what Satan does, he compels people to think twisted thoughts, and many act on those thoughts while others simply infect others with their death-dealing thoughts. Either way, it’s not something that is beyond God’s healing. I invite you to ask God to heal your thoughts and put the twisted ones right-side up. You won’t be sorry. I promise you that.

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      1. Hello Leo
         To be fair to lynn, she has stated that she is in principle opposed to abortion. In her question she is exploring another aspect to the abortion debate i.e., how such legislation has an unequal impact on the overall community due to people’s different circumstances.
         I don’t agree with her application of the word discrimination because it doesn’t take into account the discrimination against the unborn child. But in fairness she is just debating the morality of the application of the legislation, not abortion it’s self.

         I do not think that Lynn is trying to promote or condone abortion per se, but is simply debating the subject from the point of view of a legal system and whether or not it’s judgement can be applied equitably i.e., in a way that treats everyone fairly and in the same way. If any law is to be effective it must be applied equitably.

         I think that instead of letting our emotions run away with us and judging her that instead we should try and answer her questions.

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      2. Anthony, I answered every one of her points in my two responses to her. Some of us have more fire in our bellies on this issue than others and I’m sure it’s also a matter of individual personalities — some Christians are more like John the Baptist while others are more diplomatic so please respect the fact that we all engage on this issue with our own style according to the way God wired us. I personally have a lot of fire in my belly when it comes to protecting the unborn. Others may have a more nuanced approach but on an issue that cuts to the core values of biblical truth like the very right to life, I have no patience for fence riders who wish to split legal hairs and major on minor points just so they can sound smart to folks with itchy ears. All that does is divert the focus away from the rights of the unborn to have life and place it on the rights of the born to decide their fate. That’s a clever bait and switch and I will call it out every time I see it.

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      3. Hello Leo. I see where your coming from. It was only after I posted my last comment to you that I noticed another comment from Lynn and I felt when reading it that she is just debating for the sake of debating and for no other reason. So I believe that you made the right call and I stand corrected.

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   3. Hello Lynn I would like to respond in some part to your question, if I may.

      I think we both agree that abortion for convenience sake is clearly the murder of the innocent and should be prohibited.

      The fact that some people with money will be better able to get around the law doesn’t justify allowing easy access to abortion facilities in an effort to be supposedly fair to the poor.
      We need to remember that the unborn child is also a member of the poorer community. So legislating to enable abortion access for all is in fact discriminating against the most vulnerable and innocent in the poor community, i.e., the unborn child in the womb.
      Looking at legislation against abortion with regard to it’s effectiveness, I would say that a law is only fully effective if it is enforceable.
      A ban on abortion is not fully enforceable since there are many DIY techniques women can use to abort a foetus especially in the very early stages of pregnancy.

      But should the states legislate on the basis of the lowest moral common denominator? If that principle is observed then you have a situation where law is designed to facilitate depraved behaviour the consequences of which lead to a breakdown in the moral fabric of society which spread far beyond the abortion issue.

      Look at the democratic states where abortion is more favoured. We can see that a lack of morality is like a disease void of parameters which spreads throughout the society. People become morally lethargic and an amoral culture develops. In an amoral culture standards are lowered.
      In the democratic states where moral standards are lower we see that crime increases. We see that perversion, looting and drug taking etc., is causing chaos. But once again those who are better off have a better chance to relocate and not be so affected by the chaos.

      On a practical level if abortion is deemed to be illegal then I believe that it will cause women to think harder before aborting their child and some women may change their mind and develop a more responsible state of mind.

      Having said all of that I am conscious that there will always be severe medical circumstances where a woman’s life may be genuinely at risk. In such cases there must be room for a surgeon to save the life of the mother in preference over the unborn child.
      You ask :-
      “Christians believe God will ultimately have the final say on judgment and reward/punishment, so why is it so important that the government enforce a clearly discriminatory law?”

      I would answer your question by saying that all law is discriminatory because it discriminates against certain behaviours which are deemed to be contrary to the common good. And as I said earlier ” legislating to enable abortion access for all is in fact discriminating against the most vulnerable and innocent in the poor community, i.e., the unborn child in the womb.

      Ultimately God will pass judgement where man has failed but in the meantime Christians are aware of the importance of observing God’s laws. Hitherto the nations that have embraced God’s laws have enjoyed the success of a properly functioning and productive society based on those laws.

      But as we can see, the abandonment of God’s laws leads to a breakdown in society which is evidenced by the unfolding chaos in those states that have abandoned God’s laws.

      I hope that you find this comment helpful.

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      1. Anthony William:
         June 26, 2022 at 7:15 pm

         Christians, who worship within Lucifer’s Masonic Temple, are aware of the importance of observing God’s social-justice laws. Hitherto the enlightened nations that have embraced the Angel of Light’s laws have enjoyed the technocratic success of a properly functioning and productive Humanist society based on those democratic laws.

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   4. You are turning morality into a class issue, saying that abortions, legal or not, will be obtained by the rich who can afford high quality abortions, while the poor must make do with black market abortions, therefore this is discrimination and an immoral law if imposed by human governments.

      Your question seems to assume that the greater sin to avoid is class discrimination in providing abortion services, so logically, a government should continue legal abortion and fund abortion mills so they are up to medical standards. But legal abortions were funded by taxes for many years, but what has that done for the lower classes? There have been many instances of lawsuits and criminal investigations of these clinics in poor neighborhoods which repeatedly failed to meet medical standards, resulting in many injuries, hospitalizations and death—despite their legality and public and private funding. Abortion was never about women’s health, but it has been an aggressively marketed eugenics tool that especially targeted poor neighborhoods and certain races to cull them. Was it moral for government to allow a class to be so targeted?

      I’m not sure why a government making a law to forbid the killing of a child (based on a religious moral absolute) is to be construed as only punishing those unable to pay for it. The commandment “You shall not murder (or kill)” applies to all classes, regardless of whether the rich find ways and means to circumvent that commandment. If they do, that is corruption on their part and they will answer for it, if not before a court of law, certainly before God. It should hardly be assumed that the poor are being punished by their poverty if that very poverty prevents the murder of their own children. Poverty in that case sounds more like a saving grace. The law applies to all classes, this moral absolute saves them from committing a damning sin against another and incurring the subsequent judgment by God. That a government should enforce “You shall not kill” and the other moral absolutes cited by the 10 commandments is because governments throughout history and in all places have reflected their religious outlooks in their laws. And it used to be the case, that before Western culture became so secularized, that the other commandments were enforced as well by government, if not also by the prevailing folk culture. God gave mankind their governments to keep the moral order so that mankind can prosper and live in peace with one another. God acts through his agents on earth (though they be imperfect), just as he uses nature to supply our physical needs. God acts through us, not simply on us. When human government proves unjust towards its people is when it violates, subverts or neglects God’s law from which its laws are derived. https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justin-taylor/10-things-know-bible-teaches-god-human-government/

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   5. Lynn, here is more food for thought, on the inherently racist foundation of the American/Western abortion movement, which is carried on today by Planned Parenthood.
      https://amgreatness.com/2022/06/24/how-the-eugenics-movement-made-race-based-abortions-normal/

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   6. I cannot see for one second how this subject is debatable before God Almighty and by so called Christians. As with John the Baptist leaping in Elizabeth’s womb in the presence of the Holy Son in the belly of Mary, LIFE had begun. If we accept legal murder IN the womb then it will set the precedence for Murder wholesale and as with New York rulings, after birth! Then it would be euthanasia of the elderly and others disabled. Who has the right to decide who dies and who lives? Only God. It is time for mankind to stop playing God. All it invites is His judgement.

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      1. Amen Heather. I agree!

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   7. I could make an argument that while armed robbery is morally wrong and I am personally opposed, convicted felons should be allowed to buy firearms. Why? Because of unequal wealth distribution. While wealthier felons have the resources to buy nicely made firearms on the black market–or commit white collar crimes without having to worry about the mess–those living in poverty have to cobble together their own weapons for intimidating convenience store clerks.
      Not only are these guns made from substandard materials but are less safe as well. They are known to explode in the face of the robber and might kill or blind him for life during a heist.

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      1. A few years ago I was having what I thought was a Pro Life conversation with the man who owned the office complex where I had my business located for a number of years. The name of his LLC was Narnia something. I assumed from the name that he was a Christian. I was wrong. He rolled out the old “Why should an 11 year old who is raped by her father be forced to have a child?” Without going into the deep weeds these people always seem to immediately wander into, I couldn’t help but think why should anyone who wants to murder their child for convenience sake be allowed to do that?! That happens 100,000 to 1 over his scenario. It was obvious there was no discussing the topic with him and my respect for him all but evaporated.

         I believe that for the most part-not always but usually- when your heart is hardened toward murdering babies as an unlimited and unrestricted method of birth control, you may be beyond saving. God makes clear in His word that at some point He does turn us over to our wickedness and allows us to do our worst. At that point we are beyond saving.

         As for abortion, it is no different than 2 people having an auto accident, both equally at fault, and injuring an innocent bystander. The court says an award of $250,000 must be made to the victim, with 18-year, annual installment payments. The two people conspire together to kill the victim to avoid paying the fine and walk free, often even bragging about it and sometimes repeating the same crime. It was so easy after all. Over the past 50 years, analogously, this has been the law of the land in our nation.

         No wonder God is furious.

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      2. Rachel, I agree. Laws will never be able to erase injustices that are the result of class and financial status. When it comes to the legal system, the wealthy will always have advantages. However, what I consider my primary matter of contention has not been addressed here.

         I will explain:

         • From the moment of conception Christians believe abortion is murder. Note that some non-Christians also feel this way.
         • Many people do not believe abortion is murder.
         • Some people believe the cutoff for murder is at particular stages of fetal development.
         • Christians justify their position using quotes from the Bible, despite that not everyone holds the Bible in the same regard and/or interprets it in the same way.
         • Christians also justify their position by describing characteristics of the unborn fetus, despite that not everyone sees these details as relevant to when the soul takes up residence.
         • Many Christians want the government to make their beliefs about abortion the law and violation a crime. They want law enforcement and the justice system to catch and punish these people they consider criminals.

         To begin with, I am in no way judging the right-versus-wrong abortion beliefs of pro-life Christians. Go ahead and classify it as murder to yourselves. That’s fine. However, I am questioning their efforts to have governments make criminal laws about it.

         For everyone to live in a free and open society, people should understand that not everyone shares the same beliefs and morals. Muslims should not expect the government to enforce Sharia Law. Seventh Day Adventists should not expect the government to make eating meat illegal. Catholics should not expect the government to make birth control a crime. These people are just as emphatic about what they believe their God wants as Christians believe when it comes to their God.

         If it becomes okay for religious groups to have their beliefs made into law and enforced on the rest of us, where does it stop? The police will be monitoring our every action and behavior to make sure nobody is violating one of the many rules spanning the various religions.

         Why do Christians think their beliefs should be enforced by governments and not the beliefs of other religions? I get it that Christians believe they follow the one true God, which includes Jesus and the Christian Bible. But most other religions believe with just as much fervor that they have the only correct and true access to God.

         Like it or not, religious egocentrism seems to be most dominant among Christians and Muslims. It can even be kind of scary to us non-Christians and non-Muslims.

         As Andrés Ramírez said in his book, “Getting To Know God: Learn about Him through a personal and amazing experience”:

         “What can fanaticism do then? It can create religious egocentrism, that’s how I call it; it means that a believer justifies himself being superior to other people due to his knowledge and dedication to God, a lot of times this leads to discrimination of others, the actions of such people are influenced by pride instead of a genuine desire to help others…”

         Don’t think any religious group is immune from egocentrism, including one’s own group. Those in a group tend to feed off each other for justification. It’s simply natural for groups of humans to be egocentric about that which they collectively feel strongly about.

         So how should those not in the religious group deal with the group’s efforts to have laws enacted that they feel are unjust? I guess that’s the crux of my concern.

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7. I’m truly amazed how dumbed down America has become. We the people think a SCOTUS decision (it is an opinion) is law. IT IS NOT!!!! The SCOTUS cannot make law. It never could. When the SCOTUS renders a decision it is up to the Legislative branch to write it into law and the executive branch to sign it into law. Roe v. Wade was NEVER law. It was an opinion. We have been so dumbed down by our Public education system, our media and government we no longer know how a Constitutional Republic works. There are ONLY two ways to make law in America: One is by the Legislative branch and the other is by the will of the people i.e. voting a law into existence. There is NO other way to make law in America……..PERIOD!!! I suggest people educate themselves on a Constitutional Republic and stop believing what you hear in our Public schools and media, because they are LIES!!!

   “The power of the Court to implement its decisions is limited. For example, in the famous 1954 case Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, the justices ruled that racial segregation (separate but equal) in public places is unconstitutional. But, it took many years for school districts to desegregate.

   The Court has no means (such as an army) to force implementation. Instead, it must count on the executive and legislative branches to back its decisions. In the Civil Rights Movement, the Court led the way, but the other branches had to follow before real change could take place.”

   https://www.ushistory.org/gov/9c.asp

   “Courts also have limited power to implement the decisions that they make. For example, if the president or another member of the executive branch chooses to ignore a ruling, there is very little that the federal courts can do about it.

   For example, the Supreme Court ruled against the removal of the Cherokee from their native lands in 1831. President Andrew Jackson disagreed. He proceeded with the removal of the Cherokee, and the Supreme Court was powerless to enforce its decision.”

   https://www.ushistory.org/gov/9e.asp

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   1. @ Russ D June 26, 2022 at 11:05 am
      Thanks Ross. You explained that very well.

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   2. Russ D says:
      June 26, 2022 at 11:05 am

      We secular Humanists have been so brain-washed and Socialized by John Dewey’s Public education system, social media, and democratic government we no longer know how Freemasonry’s Constitutional Republic works. There are ONLY two ways for secular Humanists to make democratic law in America: One is by the Legislative branch and the other is by the carnal-minded will of the brain-washed people i.e. voting a law into existence. There is NO other way for Lucifer’s liberated Masons to make social-justice law in America……..PERIOD!!! I suggest democracy’s self-willed people spiritually educate themselves on Freemasonry’s Constitutional Republic. Listen to the Angel of Light’s a-millennial minister, Anthony unibokk William, and stop believing the Apostle John’s “unauthentic” ‘Revelation’ of Jesus Christ’s holy law, because they are LIES!!!

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      1. A COURT DECISION IS NO LAW AT ALL

         By Coach Dave Daubenmire
         May 7, 2015

         “All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void.” —Marbury v Madison 1803.

         Repugnant – distasteful, offensive, disgusting. Contradictory, incompatible, inconsistent.

         Null – without value, effect, consequence, or significance.

         Void – having no legal force or effect; not legally binding or enforceable; useless, ineffectual, vain.

         Therefore, all laws inconsistent with the Constitution are without value or effect and have no legal force or effect and are useless, ineffectual and unenforceable.

         Or, as Saint Augustine so aptly warned us, “an unjust law is no law at all.”

         Let me ask you a question: If the government passed a law saying that parents had the right to kill their three year old sons, would that be a valid, just law? Would we be duty bound to follow it?

         If the government passed a law that said that workers were entitled to keep 10% of what they earned and that the rest was to be “withheld” by your employer and given to the government, would it be a valid law? What if they said you could keep 70% and the government got the rest? Where do we draw the line?

         What if the “court” rules that a man had the legal right to marry his favorite animal? What if they told us that we could marry as many different species as we wanted? What if they told us that sex with 10 year olds was “legal” and, in fact, some scumbag down the road had the right to “marry” your 10 year old 5th grader without your approval? What if they declared that school principals were even allowed to conduct the ceremonies during school hours? Would that make it right?

         Did you know that a “decision” or “opinion” by a court is not law? Congress makes laws. Courts render opinions. Opinions are…well…opinions. Judges give their opinions of what they think the law says.

         For instance, the recent Obamacare “decision” from the Supreme Court was supported by five justices, while four justices had a dissenting “opinion.” How can an opinion be enforceable? Especially an “opinion” so equally divided and strongly opposed?

         In Alabama, 81% of the people voted that marriage is between one man and one woman. How can the “opinion” of five terrorists in black robes in Washington carry more weight than the “opinion” of millions of Alabama voters?

         President Andrew Jackson, in a shot across the bow regarding a Supreme Court ruling in 1832 famously said, “John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it.” President Jackson ignored the decision that the Supreme Court handed down.

         Sorry, I know that I am all over the place with this communication, so let me try to bring it together.

         The United States is veering aimlessly off course because we have lost control of our government. This has happened partly because we have ceded to the courts law-making powers that they were simply not intended to possess.

         A COURT DECISION IS NOT A LAW!! Do you understand that? Roe v Wade is NOT the law of the land. Roe v Wade was an OPINION handed down by judges. Judges and courts do not make laws, but rather merely render opinions.

         Did you know that the Supreme Court once rendered the opinion that black men were inferior to whites? Did you know that the Supreme Court once ruled that women had no legal right to vote? Did you know that as recently as 1986 the Supreme Court ruled that there was no right to homosexual sodomy?

         Friends, courts only offer opinions. Opinions can change when judges change. The law cannot be changed by a “judge.” If that were the case, our “laws” would be as constantly changing as the “judges” are.

         If “judges” ruled that sodomy was illegal in 1986, how did sodomy become “legal” today? Did the law change, or did the “opinions” of the “judges” change?

         Here is my point: All the hubbub over homosexual marriage is a cleverly designed smoke screen. Who cares what the Supreme Court says? They are merely rendering their “opinion”. The people of Alabama and 30 other states have already spoken on this issue. No court “opinion” can nullify the vote of the people. Did anyone vote to give Kagan, Sotomayor, and Ginsburg the power to change the institution of marriage? I don’t think so, Tim!

         Who do they think they are? No wait…who do WE think they are? Do you REALLY believe that the opinions of five political hacks on the Supreme Court trump the will of 81% of the citizens in Alabama? I think not. At some point, this is gonna get ugly…and I believe we are nearing that point.

         The right to get “married” based solely on who one chooses to copulate with is one of the most short-sighted “opinions” in the history of the world. Liberty is not licentiousness. You have no God-given right to do that which is wrong.

         Homosexual marriage is not now, nor will it ever be, “legal” in America. You know it, I know it, and heck, even the homosexuals know it. They don’t want to get married…they just want to destroy marriage.

         At some point, if we are to remain free, we are going to have to cast off the chains of government. That’s what our forefathers did. That is what they told us we would have to do.

         Jefferson told us “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.” What do you suppose he meant by that?

         “Are you proposing violence, Coach Dave?”, I hear you asking. Of course not. What a foolish assumtion to make. I am, however, proposing resolute, peaceful resistance. I am proposing open defiance against the tyrannical arm of government. I am proposing that Christians obey God rather than man.

         Metaphorically speaking, Montgomery, Alabama will be the Gettysburg of Gay Marriage after the Supreme Court hands down their tyrannical “opinion” in defiance of the will of the people of Alabama and in direct conflict with the Supreme Court Justice of the Universe.

         The question is, what will the people of America do? Will they obediently acquiesce to the un-Constitutional edicts of the homsexualists on the Supreme Court, or will they, as their forefathers did, stand in open defiance to a tyrannical, over-reaching, amoral Federal Government?

         I am reminded of a monument that you will find commemorating what took place at Lexington, Massachusetts on April 19, 1775. Carved into stone are these immortal words of Captain John Parker, the lead elder at the assembly of Pastor Jonas Clark, who ordered the men from his congregation to rise and resist the Redcoats:

         “Stand your ground. Don’t fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here.”

         Not one of our key “cultural” issues has ever been changed by a vote of the people. Abortion, marriage, prayer in schools, sodomy laws, free speech…they’ve all been “changed” by “court opinions.”

         In summary, courts offer opinions. Legislatures and we the people make the laws. Supreme Court decisions are not laws—they simply tell us that they are.

         Defy them! Nullify them! Tell the Supreme Court to go pound sand!

         https://newswithviews.com/Daubenmire/dave418.htm

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   3. I don’t think that’s the case here, as 10-13 states already have trigger laws on the books waiting for a legal precedent to kick in. Although I can see a flurry of bills throughout state legislatures trying desperately to overturn those laws.

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8. Leo, you’re right about the USC not banning abortions. The authority to ban or to permit abortions has been returned to the state legislatures where it belongs. Whether a person is anti or pro abortion. I believe that they will have to live with the laws that their state governors and legislators pass in their respective states. Which could change with each new governor or state legislature. I sense that the battle is far from over. Not sure it will ever end.

   Not sure on this end whether it’s a good idea for any federal agency to rule on certain issues that will affect every state in the union. If I understand correctly. The major concern of USC justices should be in making favorable rulings where a constitutional right(s) has been violated according to the USC. I’ve heard it said that it’s not the job of the USC to pass legislation. Their responsibility is to correctly interpret the constitution, and base their decisions on what’s written therein. The same set of rules should apply to state justices based on state laws.

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9. Commentor Ben is right when he said that abortion is not over and will continue in most states. After 50 years of abortion on demand (preceded by the sexual “liberation” of the Pill) it has radically changed the culture for the worse. So abortion is not going away anytime soon—too many people think abortion is a natural right. Today some woman said at a pro-abortion rally in St Louis that her abortion “was an act of love”. Today’s twisted mindset wasn’t there 50 years ago in such widespread proportions. It’s now some of a evil sacrament to them. Over 50+ years we have had rampant promiscuity, drug abuse, collapsing family structures, more demonically violent behavior, more child abuse, widespread homosexuality and transgenderism (to erase gender differences—especially that of the female). It’s like our country and Western culture generally has gone mad, having taken on a cult of moral and increasingly physical suicide. And what about the 63 million babies killed by abortion and the 1.3 billion abortions globally that our tax dollars paid for? (Yes, we paid for overseas abortions and sterilization programs). A day of reckoning is coming for all that—maybe that’s why our country is in such decline, experiencing all kinds of violence, subversion and threats and may soon see a civil war between blue and red states. Some leftists are openly calling for an invasion of conservative rural communities to destroy the anti-abortion Christians. This isn’t over by a long shot, so be spiritually prepared. Satan is raging now, but what’s new about that—he’s been doing that since the Resurrection. Let’s not fail to keep the Faith despite the trials ahead. It’s good that some of the younger generations can see the Light but there’s much work to be done to educate the rest of their contemporaries out of the moral and spiritual degeneracy that has afflicted this country for far too long.

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   1. Kayjae June 25, 2022 at 6:53 pm

      Hello Kayjae have you ever checked the live abortion clock? It shows the world wide abortion statistics as they are registered.

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      1. Anthony- yes I did. Your statistic is year to date. WHO said this is adds to about 73 million per entire year. A massive amount of missing people per year

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   2. Kayjae. You’re probably right about legalized abortion not going away. I can’t figure out why so many people are up in arms about it. Neither can I figure out why people are so happy about the recent USC decision. I think that people forget that the US Supreme Court is not the law of the land or any individual state. There have been several decisions including Roe Vs. Wade made by the USC that should have been dealt with on a state level. Not saying all of the USC justices are saints. But it may be that enough of them are finally realizing that they themselves have violated the USC by ignoring the 10th Amendment.

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10. Sigh. Nothing was said about the personhood of the fetus, or how the fourteenth amendment has always condemned abortion, or how kicking it back to the states perpetuates the lie that abortion violates inalienable right. The prolife *incrementalists* won, and their jobs are safe for another fifty years, so I won’t go all weepy-eyed from the decision. The president-warp-speed adherents won, performing the equivalent of reversing Dred Scott, rather than the abolition/thirteenth amendment that was called for (which not only abolished slavery, but *also* reversed Dred Scott).

    All you need do, Dorothy, is click your heels and say “There’s nothing like a Human Life Amendment”. This remedy has been here all these 50 incrementalist years and just like abstinence, works every time for an inalienable right.

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    1. Sorry “covers up the truth” should be substituted for “perpetuates the lie”.

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11. What they do not say is that abortion has not ended you can still kill a baby in most states here in Colorado they passed a law because they knew Roe was likely to be overturned that you can get rid of the baby even after he /she is born.This thing is not gone its just up to the states you think about how many babies they have killed in the last fifty years it would make Hitler and Stalin proud and its not over yet.This country can not last with all the hate toward God and people come right out and say things like that we will pay one day.

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    1. Well said, Ben. 💯 spot on.

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    2. 20,569,996 Million abortions registered world wide, so far this year and counting. I checked my pulse and compared my heart beat with the live abortion counter and for every heart beat at least one baby has been aborted.

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       1. lets think critically about this for a second. not to take away from the victory that has occured yesterday, but the same people in republican or catholic pro-life leadership who have fallen on the sword of destroying RVWade for decades, some of these are the biggest promoters of the death clot shot and promotion of the false convid global narrative which is responsible for killing and maiming millions of people around the USA and the globe. the deaths resulted by the medical-media-industrial government complex are staggering beyond belief. Something not right about this. Millions have died from the lack of covid treatments and then forcing everyone to take these murderous shots yet we continue unabatted and now targeting children at 6months. Anti vxx is about pro-life yet few are talking about it except Daniel Horowitz who brought this out to the attention of everyone in the last few months in his CR podcast. I recommend a listen to it–he talks about it daily.

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       2. I agree with your analysis but Daniel Horowitz is not alone. I have also written continuously about the “death shot” being pushed, ironically, by Pope Francis, Franklin Graham, Robert Jeffress, Tim Keller, Rick Warren and many others who claim to be pro life.

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       3. Pope Francis, Franklin Graham, Robert Jeffress, Tim Keller, Rick Warren and many others who claim to be pro life are wolves. Most, if not all, of these people were well-paid by the Biden Admin to participate in their jab advocacy.

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       4. The WHO says there are around 73 million abortions each year. (How many years have they kept these stats). Wonder if US funding for overseas abortions will stop. I bet not. https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/abortion

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       5. Arnolfishman, https://rnichols.substack.com/p/why

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12. Steve Bannon shared this on GETTR this morning. Please pray for the rural areas! 🙏🏻⛪️

    Hidy Rivet

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13. Reblogged this on boudica.us.

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14. I predict the violence fears over abortion protests are overrated and will be a flop. Lots of noise that will not change anything. The Left has lost big on this one and there’s nothing they can do that will change that.

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    1. Meremortal June 25, 2022 at 2:29 pm
       I reckon that each state will legislate in accordance with what is popular with it’s electorate. For that reason I reckon there will be less violent protests than some people expect.

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15. As glad as I am to hear this news, I know that something sinister lurks beneath. From the time the document was leaked I smelled it. Some may consider me to be on the highly suspicious end, but yes I am one of those who does not naively go along with the puppet republican of the day, never was swept away by any of it and think the whole nine yards is a puppet show put on by the globalists from one end to the other, start to finish. Which is why I don’t bother voting, I know it’s a waste of time. Then throw in rigged elections, voting machine fraud, and that the globalist cabal chooses in advance from secret societies who will ‘win,’ the whole thing is a sham in a handbasket to hell. This is no different. They have engineered the strings just right. They care not a whimper about unborn babies. But this gives the green light for another blm type of revolutionary act, another kristallnacht of violence against conservatives and Christians, and another blow to our civilization as they disassemble it in order to reassemble their new world order. It’s another advance the enemy will make, the whole thing rolling out a red carpet for bloodshed and violence against Christians, churches, conservatives, who have been the target all along. That was their goal, from start to finish.

    Now as for the pussifooters, if we substitute the word ‘holocaust’ for abortion, can we get a clear image now? Exactly, all law is based on morality. Murder is wrong, that is why it’s illegal, or should be; whether in the case of adults, abortion, or gasing Jews in a ‘shower room.’ We can’t get squeamish about ‘pushing our morality’ on others, or we would have no law of righteousness to uphold in the land and evil and chaos would reign supreme. Yes, different civilizations have various rules, and some are right while others are wrong. In the case of islam many things are obviously wrong. We do have a structure of absolute and eternal morality that is found in the Judeo Christian Bible, God, and religion. It is provable but not to those who don’t want to know. Even though we could argue all day with atheists, that does not negate the need to have laws based on morality, and the closer they are to God’s true laws, the better. That is why we must fight and struggle to keep this bastion of decency and freedom from completely eroding into the halls of fallen empires, albeit I feel that demise is inevitable. As the quote goes: Rage against the dying of the light!!! Or something like that….

    Lastly, the days of the fair weather follower type of Christian are rapidly ‘drawing to a close.’ Or more like a screeching halt. This is what I’ve been warning about for a decade; persecution is coming to the American church. The church will be sifted like wheat, the time has come and it is high time. The wheat from the chaff, the sheep from the goats. The cream of the crop… will rise to the top, the slothful and gluttons will sink like slop in order to save their own skin. Blunt, but just keeping it real. Think back to the days of the early church, or the whole of church history all over the globe for that matter. There was a COST to being a Christian aka disciple! You knew it could cost you your life, and that this very day! There was no turning back, if you deny Him to save yourself, He will deny you and then what do you have? It could and often did cost people their livelihoods, their families, their prosperity, they were beaten, tortured, martyred, ridiculed, ostracized, and persecuted in every which way the devil could conjure up! And they remained steadfast unto death! Where are you Christians like this of today? I can honestly say I have suffered all of these things with the exception of physical torture and obviously death since I am still here typing away. And I am ready to put a checkmark next to those last items as well.

    Can I get an “Amen”?!

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    1. And I don’t believe for a second that something this good will last very long, the globalists will find a way to quickly cancel it after enough rioting and violence has resulted. I’d bet on it.

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    2. Amen!

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    3. 1blandina:
       June 25, 2022 at 12:41 am

       RE: “…And they remained steadfast unto death! Where are you Christians like this of today?”

       AMEN, 1blandina !

       Then Jesus said to all of them, “If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow Me. If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be My disciple. And whoever does not carry his cross and follow Me cannot be My disciple. If you were of the world (i.e. world’s political system), it would love you as its own. Instead, the world hates you, because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. Luke 9:23; 14:26-27; John 15:19

       Then James said to the foolish virgins in Christ’s Bride, “You adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship (political-correct patriotism) with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore, whoever chooses to be a friend of the world renders himself an enemy of God. But as for me, may I never boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by the holy faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. James 4:4; Galatians 6:14; Galatians 2:20

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16. There never was law that legalized abortion. And this high court decision does nothing to criminalize it. The high court has no law making authority. They only render opinions. The reason abortion has been free from prosecution is because the people do not know how their own system works.

    Only Congress makes laws. And they have never made any laws regarding the legalization of abortion.

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    1. edwitness:
       June 27, 2022 at 1:40 pm

       On the day mankind ate the forbidden fruit, his spirit’s shekinah glory departed, leaving him shamefully naked in the carnal-minded darkness of spiritual death. Surely, on the day that Adam ate of it, the human heart degenerated into the most deceitful of all reprobate things, becoming desperately wicked and conformed to the licentious image of Democracy’s founding father—the Devil. Who can understand the spiritual death that the carnal-minded human heart inherited from the first Adam’s sin? On Judgment Day, the LORD searches all hearts and examines secret motives. He judicially gives all people their due rewards, according to what their actions deserve. Jeremiah 17:9

       As it is written of Democracy’s degenerate, self-willed people: There is no one righteous, in the sin-enslaved human race, not even one. There is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have self-righteously turned away in hypocrisy, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one. Their throats are open graves; their forked tongues practice deceit. The venom of vipers is on their lips. Their mouths are full of slander, cursing, and bitterness. Their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery lie in their ‘demon-cratic’ wake, and Christ’s ‘narrow way’ of Peace they have not known. There is no fear of God before their eyes. Romans 3:10

       Gen.2:7 says that when a man has a body, which of course includes blood and breath he is a “living soul”. And 1Cor.15:45,46 tells us that the difference between the first Adam and his descendants (spiritual children of darkness) and the last Adam (Jesus) and His spiritual children of light is that the first Adam was only natural and not Holy Spirit-filled. While the 2nd Adam is Holy Spirit-filled. So the first Adam was made a living soul with a body that was spiritually clothed in God’s shekinah glory. However, at his fall into sin, death’s spirit of darkness rules within the reprobate hearts of Adam’s sinful race. It is only when Jesus removes our reprobate carnal-minded old-wineskin heart and replaces it with a repentant new-wineskin heart that is joyfully filled with the New Wine of His Holy Spirit, that we become newborn children of God and heirs to His kingdom.

       For Jesus says, I will take you (elect members of Israel’s commonwealth) from among the nations and gather you out of all the countries, and I will bring you back into your own land. I will also sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. I will cleanse you from all your impurities and all your idols. I will give you a new-wineskin heart and put a new enlightened-living spirit within you; I will remove your reprobate old-wineskin heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put My Spirit (New Wine) within you and cause you to walk in My statutes and to carefully observe My ordinances. Ezekiel 36:24

       Then I looked and saw the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him 144,000 who had His name and His Father’s name written on their foreheads. And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of many waters and the loud rumbling of thunder. And the sound I heard was like harpists strumming their harps. And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. And no one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, for they are virgins (wise virgins in the Lamb’s Bride). They follow the Lamb wherever He goes. They have been redeemed from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb. And no lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless. Revelation 14:1-

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       1. The scripture does not say anything about Adam having a “shekina glory” that he lost when he ate the fruit. That is a conclusion that can only be reached through assumption. Not one of the Old Testament writers nor any of New Testament ever said anything that would lead you to believe that.
          In fact, here is a description of shekina that shows all too well that it has been misunderstood by those who teach what you believe- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YyEmIwWusrQ

          The scripture never teaches that Adam or Eve were “shamefully naked”. Another assumption.

          The scripture never says Adam or Eve were spiritual. In fact, as I have previously shown you Paul said plainly in 1Cor.15:45,46 that they were “not spiritual, but natural” when God created them a living soul.

          The notion that Adam’s heart became “deceitful, degenerate, reprobate, desperately wicked conforming to the licentious image of the devil…” comes from your own perverted interpretation of something the Bible never even implies. In fact, God said in Gen.3:22 that after having eaten from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil “the man has become AS ONE OF US to know good and evil.” Wouldn’t this mean that if you are correct in what you believe happened to Adam and Eve after eating the fruit that God’s heart must also be all these things you claim Adam became?

          Sadly, you have drank the false doctrine kool aid. The doctrine of original sin and sin nature that leads men down the road of salvation by works. Rather than the justification/righteousness that is the only way to the Father that is by the faith of Christ, and not by works. Gal.2:16

          And doing so have poured into the scriptures things that it not only never says. But, things that contradict it in every way possible. Creating a path to salvation for yourself and others that can not possibly lead there. But, actually goes in the opposite direction.

          The things you say are true of all men the Jeremiah is saying is true only of those who do not seek after God. For example, in Jer.17 if you would begin in vs.1 you would see he is speaking about the “sin of Judah”. And in vs.5 you would see that he is speaking about “the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.” Not about all men. Because in vs.7 he says, “Blessed is the man that trusteth in the Lord, and whose hope the Lord is. For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.”

          So Jeremiah is showing a contrast between those who trust in God and those who do not. Saying that those who do not trust in God have the deceitful heart. While those who do are continually blessed and yield fruit because they have a heart that seeks after God.

          “Spiritual children of darkness” is another assumption. Jesus, Paul, and Genesis all show that until a man is born of the Spirit he has no spirit in him. The 2nd Adam was God almighty. His Spirit communed with the Godhead just as He had always done to do and say all that He did and said. John12:46-50

          So while those who reject Jesus are in darkness. It is not spiritual darkness. Because they are only natural, not spiritual just as Paul plainly says in 1Cor.15:45,46. And as Gen.2:7 plainly says. And as Jesus said in John3 was the reason that you must be born again of the Spirit of God. Not only to receive the Holy Spirit. But, to become a spiritual being by a new birth.

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17. Now will we see the thousands of fighting aged men coming over our Southern Border spring into action against We The People? Were they brought in specifically for THIS?

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18. @ leohohmann June 24, 2022 at 9:08 pm

    Hello Leo I agree with you.
    In Ireland where I live the medical profession were coping very well and life expectancy of mother and child was very high indeed. For this reason I voted against the proposed legislation which would allow easier access to abortion and which I believed would be the narrow end of the wedge. Unfortunately I was in a small minority of pro lifers and the new legislation was introduced.
    As I said earlier “It’s difficult for a government to legislate for every possible scenario because discretionary guidelines will always be abused by unscrupulous physicians and patients.”

    Apart from that , I’m just exploring the possible scenarios and how a Christian should or should not react when faced with a tragic situation. I’m just saying that no government law is capable of legislation for every possible scenario but I believe that the legislation and practise in Ireland prior to the abortion referendum was about as good as you can get which was why I voted against the new legislation which I believe is too lax.

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20. Hello Leo and Rachel
    Of course there will always be polarity between believers and unbelievers. But I’m looking at this in the context of the pattern of civil unrest that is being fomented by the evil elite which is tearing American society apart at the behest and to the rejoicing of the evil elite.

    Both opposing groups are being played and in their zeal they are assisting Satan in the destruction of America.

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22. Lord, please help us to make You look good in our behaviors,

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    1. AMEN !

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23. need to pray and bind satan’s forces that will seek to murder, steal and kill this weekend. perhaps the Lord giving us time to repent before the time is up. we need to remember what happened to Judah which lead to revival with Josiah but even that was insufficient to stop the total judgment of God to occur within several decades and remove them to Babylon. I am not sure if we have that long. God be praised!

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24. Well done. Come quickly Lord Jesus!

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25. As the men of Ephesus became enraged at Paul’s teachings, it had nothing to with their rights but their profits. The death chambers of the giant industry have taken a big financial blow. They don’t offer choice but demand death. Many facilities have botched abortions and told the ambulances not to use sirens. Mothers have also died. You won’t hear the MSM report these atrocities; it may affect their profit margin if women were given the truth. Neandrathals were more civilized than marxists. Pray for those being deceived. May God open their eyes to His precious gift He has for them.

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26. Do you suppose this was all a plot to cause riots and chaos? I have been feeling very pessimistic lately. Hard to believe when something this good takes place.

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    1. Yep Rachel! Same hee and just now Homeland Security is warning that beginning tonight “Night of Rage” groups of protesters will begin to go after lots of Pro-Life Churches!
       ” DHS Communicates Specific Threats Facing Pro-Life Orgs, Churches As They Brace For “Night Of Rage

       https://www.zerohedge.com/political/dhs-communicates-specific-threats-facing-pro-life-orgs-churches-they-brace-night-rage

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    2. Hello Rachel I think you have hit the nail on the head. I believe that it is another tactic being employed to cause further polarity between the conservatives and the liberals and both groups have been suckered into it. Notice how quick Trump was to up the ante as he continues to stoke the division between the conservatives and the liberals.

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       1. The devil may have evil in mind, yet he allowed good to triumph. And the more openly sinful the rioters behave the more obvious the sides will become. Christ causes polarization too.
          Let the righteous be righteous still. And the filthy be filthy still.

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       2. Well said Rachel. Jesus said His truth will divide like a double-edged sword.

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       3. What did Trump say? It could not have been more explosive than what I heard come from AOC and Maxine Waters, who were both calling the Supreme Court decision “illegitimate” and urging their followers to “fight” like hell and not back down.

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       4. when the left cannot get their way, they take matters into their own hands. Anne Barnhardt, a catholic businesswoman/financial expert writes about this mentality in her blog. she refers to it as Diabolical Narrciscism.

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       5. That’s interesting. I have referred to their strategy before as “diabolical disorientation.”

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       6. Anthony: several you tubers said to stay home, stay out of downtown areas this weekend. Churches in cities may be at risk. Driving in city areas may be dangerous. Best to stay home and stream or go out of city to a church, o rhome church.

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       7. @ Laura McDonough June 24, 2022 at 11:36 pm
          Hello Laura I agree with you. It is better for Christians to be cautious at this time so as not to facilitate any violent pro-abortionists who might be looking for a target to inflame the situation.
          Christians should seek to ensure that they are not used as catalyst by the pro-abortionists.

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    3. Yes, agree–something has to be afoot. They would have killed off these Justices long before if they truly were the up and up. Kgazin’s response here may have hit the nail right on the head. Pray the Rosary to ward off these evil monsters (you don’t have to be Catholic to do it either).

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    4. It definitely seems like it. John Roberts has to be the most corrupt justice in the Supreme Court. It’s said he’s owned by the globalists and has been to Epstein island. Based off other recent decisions, it seems the only true constitutionalists are Alito and Thomas. All the others appear to have their own agenda. The lefts’ riots will probably be a distraction from our failing economy and transportation infrastructure, ie food scarcity and diesel fuel and diesel oil scarcity. Maybe this will be the beginning of the lefts highly anticipated and frequently discussed civil war. Guess we’ll find out.

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    5. Rachel: The protesters are mixed in with paid rioters (Marxist agenda) to create chaos in cities, burning, looting, etc. Police always look other way (stand down) like previous riots incl Rodney King in L.A. ’92. Also, ref. several police and George Floyd killing riots summer ’20., Then looters join in only for the thrill of looting knowing police do nothing. Stacks of bricks were placed around the dept of Justice and other areas in D.C. yesterday. Will riots be worse than the Floyd riots several yrs ago? how long will they last? It remains to be seenhttps://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/city-of-washington-dc-deploys-pallets-of-bricks-in-front-of-republican-national-committee-hq-just

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27. I was watching protests (not for long the ranting hurt my heart) – “No justice, no peace!” they say. They do Not want justice. They don’t know what they’re asking for. They will one day yell “Almighty God, have mercy!”.

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28. I’ve long found moral absolutes to be tough. Abortion is one.

    Is abortion always wrong? How about rape, incest, genetic issues, etc? I dunno.

    Should we have laws enforcing moral absolutes? Even those moral absolutes that are not shared by large segments of the population? I dunno.

    Regardless of whether abortions are legal, the wealthy can always get them. Big $$$ accesses quality doctors on the black market. And the wealthiest can simply fly off in their private jet to nations where abortions are legal.

    So what happens? Laws restricting abortions only apply to the middle to lower classes… like a lot of other things in this society. Is that okay? I dunno.

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    1. @Lynn Settle June 24, 2022 at 6:32 pm
       Hello Lynn,
       Those are thought provoking questions that you have asked.

       As a Christian I am pro life. Being pro life includes protecting the life of the mother as well as the foetus. Most abortions are done for convenience ie., where there is no danger to the life of the pregnant woman. I am opposed to such abortions.

       But there are situations where for medical reasons the life of the mother may be in genuine danger. In such a circumstances I believe the life of the mother should be prioritised because she may have other children who depend on her. So there needs to be provision in the legislation for such circumstances which would allow the surgeon the freedom to make an informed decision and take necessary action if needed.
       Or another scenario where a foetus is so badly deformed that the resulting baby would have a life of absolute torture, void of any quality of life or reasonable awareness and permanently dependant on medication etc., What should the parents do in such a dreadful predicament?
       As a Christian I believe there are situations where we need to have mercy. When I consider the ark of the covenant I notice that the mercy seat is positioned above the law. I take this to mean that the law must be administered subject to mercy. Christ demonstrated this when he healed a man on the Sabbath showing that the spiritual law allows for mercy and presides over the Mosaic law.

       I believe that in certain circumstances that mercy should preside over the law of the land as needs be. As Christians we must show discretion and mercy in the Spirit of Christ.
       Having said all of that. I ask the question…. should we as Christians be imposing our beliefs on unbelievers. Is it our role to be legislating for unbelievers.
       Or as you say “Should we have laws enforcing moral absolutes? Even those moral absolutes that are not shared by large segments of the population?”

       I’m of the view that as a Christian I should peacefully share my faith and God’s teaching on the sanctity of life and leave it to God to determine a persons actions because I know that many unbelievers will carry out their own DIY abortions at home anyway, if the service is not available to them in a medical centre. I fear that the emotions of pro lifers are being played upon in order to increase tensions between them and the liberal movement.

       I have voted against abortion in my country, some years ago, because the new legislation being proposed was too loose and open to abuse. I felt that on balance far more lives would be saved by banning abortion than permitting it. There were already discretionary powers in place which had been afforded to the medical profession for emergency situations whereby they could out of necessity, terminate a pregnancy to save the life of the mother.
       The abortion bill was passed however by a resounding majority, but I felt peace before God that I had done the right thing.

       But an all out blanket law against abortion which rules out any discretion even when the mother’s life is in genuine danger has it’s problems. It’s difficult for a government to legislate for every possible scenario because discretionary guidelines will always be abused by unscrupulous physicians and patients.

       It is a subject where many complex scenarios have to be considered and where there must be room for discretion.

       Sadly this subject is being used to promote tensions between conservatives and liberals. Both groups are being pitted against each other and are playing into the hands of the evil elites who are set on tearing the American people asunder.

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       1. Anthony, from what I understand from talking to medical doctors who deliver babies for a living, the number of cases where the mother’s life would actually be in danger by delivering her baby is so small that it is difficult to quantify. Then when they get an exemption for the “life of the mother” they proceed to argue for another exemption for the “health” of the mother, and then they want to include the “mental health” of the mother. It’s like a Ponzi scheme. You cannot compromise with Marxists, communists or technocrats. If you give them a quarter of the pie, they want half. And once they have half they want three-quarters until before you know it they have the whole pie and are looking for other pies they can steal!

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       2. First and foremost, I agree this is a subject to promote tensions. There are many hot buttons that trigger conservatives and liberals, but few get as intense as pro-choice versus pro-life.

          Although I’m not a Christian, in principle I’m against abortion. But is abortion wrong in every case and every circumstance? Who am I to judge?

          Expecting the government to enforce organized religion’s moral values is a slippery slope. Look at Islamic nations for example.

          And note that the wealthy and particularly the very wealthy are never subject to abortion laws. Even most of the middle class can come up with the funds for a safe abortion from the black market, or even via a short overseas trip.

          So anti-abortion laws pretty much just discriminate against the poor and lower classes. So although I don’t agree with abortions, I don’t think it’s the government’s place to enforce their ban.

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       3. Lynn, every law is based on a moral principle. Murder. Thievery. Fraud. Assault. Battery. And the list goes on. Name me one law that doesn’t involve some kind of legislation meant to keep people from harming one another? Abortion is no different. As for the issue of discrimination, I agree that Planned Parenthood has targeted the black race and poor whites for the vast majority of their bloody abortions! Their founder, Margaret Sanger, was a filthy racist and Eugenicist who wanted to exterminate blacks through abortion and her organization has placed a priority on placing its clinics in or near black neighborhoods.

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       4. Oh and one other thing. There’s nothing about today’s Supreme Court decision that “bans” abortion. It simply says that there is no such “right” found in the US Constitution and therefore the matter is thrown back to the states, where each state can decide for itself through their elected legislatures whether to allow abortion or not, and if so under what circumstances.

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       5. I had never considered the metaphor of the mercy seat being placed above the law. However, the LORD is the only one who has the purest wisdom to rightly place mercy above law.

          Pro Choice (what an apostasy of a description that is) proponents believe every situation demands ‘mercy’ if a woman decides she doesn’t want to have her baby, regardless of circumstances.

          The abortion industry has grown from the sales job in 1973, which was to be used only in situations that were “rare and necessary” to today’s “I can have as many abortions as often as I want, sell the body parts if I want, murder my baby after birth if I want and you had better keep your mouth shut or I’ll come after you too!” In other words, it was/is perfectly devised by Satan for his purposes.

          I wish I could say I was overwhelmed with emotions like Leo was when the ruling came down yesterday. Instead, understanding what the ruling actually means, I thought, well it’s a very good thing and a late start but likely half the states will loosen their abortion laws like CA has (permitting a woman to murder her child up to one week after a live birth), and we will have all out war between those who are Pro Life and those who are Pro Death. In other words, I know that this ruling does nothing to alleviate the righteous judgement God has planned for us and the divide is going to become the size of the Grand Canyon. I’m not saying it shouldn’t have happened, I’m only saying I can see what this portends. The glorious news is that many babies WILL be saved and God is Sovereign.

          There is comfort in knowing that, unlike Sodom and Gomorrah, we have more than 10 righteous people living in our nation. And that God has demonstrated repeatedly that He doesn’t judge the wicked with the righteous.

          As a woman who used to be “Pro Choice” before I was saved, I have empathy for the utterly deceived, the unredeemed who are blindly following Satan’s path. Everyone who has not been transformed by the Holy Spirit does what seems right in their own eyes. They each rely upon ‘self wisdom’ which is ALL that is promoted today, (you do you is like fingernails on a chalkboard to me) and not the wisdom of God, which is the only True Standard of moral measure for eternity past, present and future.

          Just think of it, if there have been an estimated 110,000,000,000 human beings that have lived since Creation, each one of those people, excepting those who have faith in Almighty God, have their own personal moral standard. Is it any wonder we are in a mess?! Leo is right, Hell is coming as a result of this ruling; I pray that the LORD protects His own and rewards the Justices who had the courage to stand with the Truth, which, whether they are true Christians or not, is only found in Jesus Christ.

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       6. robinlinaz June 25, 2022 at 4:13 pm

          Hello robinlinaz
          Just to clarify , when I mention the mercy seat I am doing so in a Christian context. I am referring to Christians and how we might judge a situation.

          The bible doesn’t list a tailormade solution to every circumstance which may affect a Christian. So as Christians we may have to make decisions using our discretion in prayerful consideration of a circumstance which requires us to take action.

          What I am saying is that God’s spiritual law should be practised with mercy and compassion. A person indwelt by the Spirit of God is not likely to use discretion as an excuse to do evil but will instead use discretion to judge a situation with compassion and understanding.

          This was the difference between Jesus and the Pharisees. The Pharisees had the letter of the law but they did not have the spirit of the law. As a result the Pharisees lacked understanding and compassion. Jesus had to explain the deeper meaning of God’s spiritual law to the Pharisees when responding to their accusations.

          So for the Christian, God’s spiritual law should be practised with mercy when required. We have the Holy Spirit so we are not like the Pharisees who accused Jesus as He sought to do good.

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    2. Today’s decision takes away the federal involvement with abortion. It’s no longer the law of the land and never should have been. It won’t stop women getting abortion in abortion mill states (but now they no longer can drag my government in their decision to kill their child). It takes away the federal legal excuse and tax dollars to support Murder Inc. Roe vs Wade caused tremendous divisions in this country. It was never “pro-woman” but pro-eugenics (population control) and spawned a demonic side industry of selling their body parts. 63 million citizens are missing because of the imposition of the Nazi Roe vs Wade since 1973. What about that—where was any concern on your part for them??You bring up the old argument that the cases of rape, incest etc are a justification for abortion. You take an exception and make it the rule, a false conclusion. If you have to wreak the death penalty on someone, then seek to impose it on the rapist or the incestuous pervert responsible for the crime, not on an innocent child. But no—Instead we let the criminal go or slap him on the wrist and kill the innocent. Justice was turned upside down with Roe Vs Wade and today that hellish thing is gone. There’s a meme on FB that describes abortion well—you say “my body, my choice” which is like saying “my house, my rules”. But you never had the right to kill the baby living in your house, so why do you believe you have the right to kill your baby in your body??

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       1. Love your response. Less than 1% of abortions are from rape and incest. There are children, conceived by rape, that speak out against abortion. No matter how a child is conceived, like you said, they are innocent.

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    3. Medical type abortions are done by a private dr., not at abortion clinics meant for low income women who are sex workers that get free birth control pills or devices. These women who are pro abortion can get a referral at planned parenthood for sterilization this way repeated abortions won’t be needed ongoing, yet most aren’t smart enough to figure this out. I live in a state where abortion now is banned. Rape victims: report it to police, then get treated at emergency room, given a drug, then a dna sample of the rapist for police to track down later.

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       1. Lynn Settle: my comment above was meant for you (Laura McDonough).

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    4. You can answer your own question by ascertaining what the Bible has to say.

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       1. “You can answer your own question by ascertaining what the Bible has to say.”

          As with all inspirational works, referencing the Christian Bible and quoting verses can be helpful, but that shouldn’t shut one off from opening up their own creative thought processes for answers. I know Christians consider the Bible unique in that it is the “Word of God”, placing it well above other writings. And although many non-Christians like myself also value some of its content, we still like to think for ourselves and equally consider other works, even if that means disagreeing with portions of the Bible.

          Although I enjoy a good point-counterpoint, clearly my comments here were not in appropriate context. It seems I failed to realize how heavily oriented toward Christianity and the Bible this blog is. To quote an old proverb, “Look before you leap”. I did not.

          I have no desire to troll or ridicule or gaslight, and if I was perceived in that manner, I sincerely apologize.

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29. Thanks Leo! One thing for sure ol satan and his minions won’t go down easily! I’m sure Soros and Gates are opening their big wallets and getting their thugs together.

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30. Praise the Lord for answered prayers.
    Let’s not forget to pray for enemies

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    1. So very true, Carolyn. These poor souls are demon possessed and need all the love and prayers we can give them. Remember, all Christians, we were once in the same boat. Romans 6 20

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       1. Eh, No, all we had in common is that we are all sinners, they made their choice for Lucifer instead choosing for the Creator of us all; The Most Mighty High, The Great I Am….GOD.

          And another note, we are not allowed to be with these toxic people, Pray for them yes, but that’s all.

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    2. Carolyn Cabrera:
       June 24, 2022 at 5:44 pm

       RE: Praise the Lord Jesus for His answered prayer in John 17. Let’s not forget to pray, as the Lord Jesus, “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”

       The Lord Jesus’ High Priestly Prayer: “I am NOT praying for the world but for those (wise virgins in Christ’s Bride) whom you have given me, for they are yours.”

       When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

       “I have manifested your name to the people (the wise virgins in His Bride) whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word. Now they know that everything that you have given me is from you. For I have given them the words that you gave me, and they have received them and have come to know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me. I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world (world’s foolish virgins) but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. All mine are yours, and yours are mine, and I am glorified in them. And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one. While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. But now I am coming to you, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy fulfilled in themselves. I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one. They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth. As you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth.

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    3. 👍 @ Carolyn Cabrera June 24, 2022 at 5:44 pm

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31. Yes indeed, wonderful news, but their Baal God Is still after the babes via the snake bite jabs

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    1. Yes, Heather. Baal/Moloch is the pagan god that demands the bloody death of the innocent to appease his wrath. So why is it that so many believe Jesus’ sacrifice was to meet this pagan demand from God?

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       1. Edwitness, Jesus sacrifice was of God Himself paying the price for mankind’s sins for those who chose to accept this free gift. It wasn’t a Pagan ritual. Before Jesus death the only way God allowed his people to have sin absolved was with the sacrifice of animals. There was a seeming exception to this when God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac ( He was testing Abrahams obedience ) and before Isaac could be taken by the knife God provided a ram as a substitute. He did this, also as a picture of the Lamb of God in Jesus, who would become our substitute in taking the punishment for sin instead of us. So that whoever would believe in Jesus as being sacrificed for our sins could receive eternal life.
          I believe Satan started the Pagan ritual of offering children to Molech. He always copies God stuff but twists it horrendously. Gods motives are of Love but sometimes He tests us and disciplines us like we do with our own kids.

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       2. Thank you Heather. But, I was referring to the notion that Jesus’ sacrifice was for the appeasement of God’s wrath. This is where pagan beliefs creep into the atonement.

          Heb.9:15-17 says Jesus’ death was necessary to give power to the New Testament. It had nothing to do with paying a penalty for sin to appease God’s wrath. Sacrifice to appease wrath is a pagan practice.

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       3. @ edwitness.
          Hello Ed
          I, unibokk, will just respond to the corrections you have suggested.
          1
          The word evolve simply means “develop gradually:” So I am using the word “evolve” in that context.
          I do not believe in the Darwinian theory of the evolution of man. So I hope that anyone reading my comment will understand the word in the context in which I’ve used it.
          2
          In answer to your second point I maintain on the basis of the scriptures that man is a spiritual being. When God breathed into Adams nostrils the breath of life he was given a soul which is a spiritual life. The body of itself did not have life until God breathed life into the body.
          A person can kill your body but not your soul. In Revelation we see, even after their physical death, the souls of those who were slain for the testimony which they held.

          Revelation 6:9-10
          “And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:”
          And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?”

          Matthew 10:28
          “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”

          Jesus says makes a distinction between the body and the soul. This is in keeping with the Genesis account of the creation of man.
          Matthew 10:28
          “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”

          Man was created and given a soul. He is a spiritual being. Man is referred to as having a spirit many times in the bible.
          But the human spirit is different to the Spirit of God. The human spirit is in a fallen state and of it’s self, has no true desire for God and can only be made alive to God by the working of the Holy Spirit.

          The word “breath” in Genesis 2:7 comes from the Hebrew ( נְשָׁמָה n@shamah {nesh-aw-maw’}
          which can be translated as follows

          1) breath, spirit
          1a) breath (of God)
          1b) breath (of man)
          1c) every breathing thing
          1d) spirit (of man)

          So there can be no doubt then, that man is a spiritual being.

          The word “soul” in Gen 2:7 comes from the Hebrew
          נֶפֶש nephesh {neh’-fesh} which can be translated
          1) soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being,
          desire, emotion, passion
          1a) that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the
          inner being of man
          1b) living being
          1c) living being (with life in the blood)
          1d) the man himself, self, person or individual
          1e) seat of the appetites
          1f) seat of emotions and passions
          1g) activity of mind
          1g1) dubious
          1h) activity of the will
          1h1) dubious
          1i) activity of the character
          1i1) dubious

          So having a soul comes from having a spirit. A man cannot have a soul without having a spirit.
          There is a human spirit which is separate from the Spirit of God. And there is the Holy Spirit who is the Spirit of God himself. In 1st Corinthians 2:11 we see Paul identifying the spirit of man as being distinct from the Spirit of God.

          “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.” (1st Corinthians 2:11)

          So to conclude:-
          Man is a physical and spiritual being made up of a body a spirit and a soul.

          I hope that you find this comment helpful,
          unibokk

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       4. Thank you John for your explanation about why you believe what you believe. But, as the creation account, as well as what Paul said about it in 1Cor.15:45,46, from the beginning man was not spiritual, but only natural. Flesh and blood. Which is why Paul adds in 1Cor.15:50 that the reason Jesus came is that “flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God”.

          Paul got this from the Genesis account of the creation. As well as Jesus’ teaching in John3 where He said, “That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN.”

          So clearly we see from reading what Jesus taught, and the Genesis account of creation, as well as Paul’s teaching, these all refute the “all men have a spirit when they are born” thesis you prescribe to.

          All who believe and teach that men have a spirit when they are born remain in the deception of the spirit of antichrist doctrine of original sin and sin nature John spoke of in 1John4:1-3 and 2John1:7-11.

          This is a doctrine that teaches a salvation by works. A doctrine that is repugnant to the Biblical message that salvation is by grace through faith without works. Because of this they are not able to understand the true purpose for the atonement.

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