Experts in artificial intelligence are predicting that within a few decades we will not only have digital money, digital IDs and digital surveillance of everything we do and everywhere we go.
We will also have digital families.
The idea of creating “virtual children” powered by AI is already in the pipeline.
And within 40 or 50 years, as people find themselves increasingly frustrated in their inability to pro-create, behavioral scientists and computer engineers believe these folks will warm to the idea of raising a digital child in the metaverse.
Author Catriona Campbell is one who believes parents will want to care for digital children online. Just flip on a headset and you can feel like you’re really there with a fake CGI baby, toddler or pre-teen. Just type in the age and gender and other data points of your desired child and, shazam, there it is, with all the needs and concomitant responsibilities of a real child — or not.
Campbell’s comments appeared in an article in the Daily Star, where she claims these virtual kids will be just like the real thing but could be switched off at the touch of a button.
And you’ll never guess Campbell’s reasoning as to why women of childbearing age might want a “virtual” child instead of a real one.
She argues that by going with a digital child over a real one, you will be helping the world deal with “overpopulation,” which of course is a big lie made up by eugenicists like Bill and Melinda Gates, Klaus Schwab’s World Economic Forum, the United Nations and the bloody abortion industry.
But if you think about it, these technocrats really are working hard to cover all their bases.
They know it’s a natural human instinct to want to have children and raise families.
But they also know that with Big Pharma expanding its offerings of mRNA jabs and getting governments and corporations to mandate them, more people will discover in the years ahead that they’ve jabbed themselves right out of the possibility of parenthood.
If you type the words “Covid-19 vaccines and fertility issues” into your search engine, you will get one “fact check” article after another saying there is “no evidence” that the injections lower fertility.
But that’s just one more lie by Big Tech working in cooperation with Big Pharma and the governments around the world that are pushing the shots.
U.N. Secretary for Global Communications Melissa Fleming, a World Economic Forum member, openly discusses how global elites work with Google and other digital platforms to censor information they deem to be politically unacceptable.
The truth can be found in the Pfizer clinical trials data submitted to the FDA, which thanks to a recent Freedom of Information Act request reveal the FDA knew that these Covid vaccines had a harmful impact on pregnancies and fertility but they covered it up and approved the shots anyway.
The Daily Expose reports that “these decisions led to medical professionals, who are far too trusting of Medicine Regulators, to wrongly inform pregnant women that the Covid-19 injections are perfectly safe during pregnancy, leading to many pregnant women feeling pressured to get vaccinated.“
According to the Centers for Disease Control’s Vaccine Adverse Event Database (VAERS), as of April 22, 2022, a total of 4,113 fetal deaths have been reported as adverse reactions to the Covid-19 injections, 3,209 of which were reported against the Pfizer injections and 996 from the Moderna injections.
And remember that the VAERS numbers are vastly under-reported. Only about 1 percent of the adverse events from vaccines actually get reported, according to a pre-Covid Harvard study.
Other sources have also shown recent rises of miscarriage that align with the introduction of vaccines, like a report by Health Independence Alliance showing the miscarriage rate climbing 43 percent due to the vaccine, based on a study involving women in Utah.
So the globalist technocrats who are depopulating the planet before our very eyes know they have a budding problem on their hands. The truth will eventually sneak through all of their fraudulent fact checkers and AI filters and young people will realize they are incapable of having kids.
In a book released this year, Campbell says a “Tamagotchi generation” will be born and be available to parents for a “small monthly fee.”
In the book, she says: “Virtual children may seem like a giant leap from where we are now, but within 50 years technology will have advanced to such an extent that babies which exist in the metaverse are indistinct from those in the real world.”
Blurring the lines between the real and the unreal has always been a goal of transhumanism, which Patrick Wood calls the “evil stepsister” of technocracy.
Campbell adds: “We’re already well on our way to creating the Tamagotchi generation which, for all intents and purposes, will be ‘real’ to their parents. On the basis that consumer demand is there, which I think it will be, AI children will become widely available for a relatively small monthly fee.”
Meta CEO Mark Zuckerburg is no doubt already salivating over the profit potential of providing artificial babies in the Metaverse.
This is the same old satanic trick we see over and over where the technocrats create a problem, in this case infertility, and then try to offer a solution — fake babies. Of course it’s all destined to fail.
God won’t let their chicanery succeed and nor should we. We must call it what it is — the evil arrogance of psychopathic scientists thinking they can replace the wonders of God by offering a cheap substitute. There is no way that any digital wizardry can be used to replicate the experience of first-time parents, seeing and touching a new creation, a part of themselves, in the moments after giving birth to a real live baby. Nor can science reproduce all of the joys and heartaches that go along with raising that real living child. No satanic counterfeit can ever compete with the real thing.
But they will try. And it doesn’t stop with digital children. The technocrats are trying to replace and offer substitutes for everything. Japanese technocrats, for example, are developing ever more “life like” sex robots as stand-ins for men who no longer know how to relate with real women and therefore have no hope of ever finding a spouse.
In the technocrats’ twisted idea of utopia, they are hoping to cultivate a new breed of soulless human beings, increasingly isolated from each other as more of life gets shifted online. These “useless” people, as Yuval Noah Harari describes them, will resort to entertaining themselves in an alternative universe based on fakery. Everything is going digital and in the digital world everything is easier to fake. Fake science, fake news, fake vaccines, fake money, fake friends, and now even fake babies and fake sex.
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A “few decades”; not going to happen, we will already be under the rule of our Lord Christ Jesus in the millennium by then. This is why the AI talk is nonsense! Yes some technology will be in place for the False Prophet to create a hologram or some other computer generated image of the Antichrist, and the technology will be in place for the False Prophet to put forth a beast mark system. Indeed these technologies are already in place for the most part, just needs fine tuning.
But advanced AI mixed with Gods creation I dont think so. It happened once in the days before and during Noah I dont believe God will allow it again. His wrath during the last 3 1/2 years of the great tribulation will put an end to it!
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Anthony William says:
October 7, 2022 at 11:57 am
Andy October 6, 2022 at 4:25 pm
YOU SAY:
The trumpets and the vials in Revelation do not happen until AFTER the great tribulation. They happen during the day of wrath which begins when the sixth seal is opened as described in Revelation 6:12-17. The events which are described in Revelation 6: 12-17 correlate with the events which Jesus describes as coming AFTER the great tribulation in Mat 24:29-31
GOD’S WORD SAYS:
The Fifth Trumpet announces the first woe during the great tribulation that is patiently endured by the Saints who have the seal of God on their foreheads.
Revelation 9:1 Then the fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from heaven to earth, and it was given the key to the pit of the Abyss. The star opened the pit of the Abyss, and smoke rose out of it like the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened by the smoke from the pit. And out of the smoke, locusts descended on the earth, and they were given power like that of the scorpions of the earth. They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but ONLY those (i.e. Socialistically secured foolish virgins) who did not *have the seal of God on their foreheads*. 12The first woe has passed. Behold, two woes are still to follow.
The Sixth Trumpet announces the second woe during the great tribulation that is patiently endured by God’s two witnesses.
13Then the sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar before God saying to the sixth angel with the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.”
Revelation 11:1 Then I was given a measuring rod like a staff and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count the number of worshipers there. But exclude the courtyard outside the temple. Do not measure it, because it has been given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for 42 months. 3And I will empower *My two witnesses*, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”
4These witnesses are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth. 5If anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouths and devours their enemies. In this way, anyone who wants to harm them must be killed. 6These witnesses have power to shut the sky so that no rain will fall during the days of their prophecy, and power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they wish. When the two witnesses have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will wage war with them, and will overpower and kill them. 8Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city—figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where their Lord was also crucified. 9For three and a half days all peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will view their bodies and will not permit them to be laid in a tomb. 10And those who dwell on the earth will gloat over them, and will celebrate and send one another gifts, because these two prophets had tormented them.
11But after the three and a half days, the breath of life from God entered the two witnesses, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell upon those who saw them. 12And the witnesses heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud as their enemies watched them. 13And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand were killed in the quake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven. 14The second woe has passed. Behold, the third woe is coming shortly.
Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and loud voices called out in heaven:
“The kingdom of the world
has become the kingdom of our Lord
and of His Christ,
and He will reign forever and ever.”
The Seventh Trumpet announces the third woe that terminates the great tribulation when the sun is darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He shall send His angels with the great sound of the trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
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@ john shaphat October 8, 2022 at 9:56 pm
Hello John
Here is my understanding of this topic from my knowledge of the scriptures.
I think that you are confusing the fifth SEAL with the fifth TRUMPET. But they are two completely separate events. You only have to read both accounts to know that they are completely different events. The sounding of the fifth trumpet, doesn’t happen until the SEVENTH SEAL is opened whereupon the trumpets are sounded individually over a period of time.
When the fifth seal is opened, we see the martyred tribulation saints having to wait until the other tribulation saints are martyred.
Then when the sixth seal is opened, we see the cosmic events which correlate with the coming of Christ to rapture his saints.
Then when the seventh seal is opened, I believe we see the full complement of tribulation saints before the throne of God.
God is nearly ready to begin pouring out his wrath on the earth.
But before the angels begin to pour out the wrath, they must first apply the seal of God to the hundred and forty and four thousand who are of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
The hundred and forty and four thousand are of all the tribes of the children of Israel. They are a specific group of Jews who receive a seal on their foreheads before the angels begin pouring out God’s wrath on the earth.
“2And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”
If you read on down in chapter 7 you will see the tribulation saints are in heaven before the throne of God being comforted by the Lamb.
“13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, what are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”
This event happens AFTER the great tribulation.
The sounding of the trumpets doesn’t happen until the seventh SEAL is opened which is obviously after the above events which happen when fifth and sixth seals are opened.
When the seventh seal is opened then the angels with the trumpets begin pouring out the wrath of God upon the earth.
The seventh trumpet does NOT announce the termination of the great tribulation nor does it corelate with the cosmic events mentioned in the sixth seal or in Mathew 24.
Here is what Revelation actually says about the seventh trumpet.
“7But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.”
And here is what happens when the seventh trumpet is finally sounded.
“15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.”
So, I see the sounding of the seventh trumpet ushering in a time of completion of the mysteries of God. This will happen over a period of time, in my view, running right up to the creation of a new heaven and a new earth as described in Revelation 21 and 22.
I believe that all of the martyred Christians are already in heaven before the seventh trumpet is sounded and will receive their reward for their service to God, in due time. The rewarding of the saints is mentioned in Mat 25.
So, the Christians who have died and are in heaven at this point and are due to be rewarded in the not-too-distant future but for the unbelievers who destroy the earth it is a time of continued destruction.
At this point the seven vials have not yet been poured out. We know that the seven vials are the last plagues to be poured out. The angel says so in Revelation 21:9
P.S. You seem to be making the assumption that the seventh trumpet in Revelation is the same trumpet as the one mentioned by Paul in 1st Corinthians 15:52.
I believe that this is a wrong assumption.
If you want, I will explain why, in a separate comment.
Just to be clear, the views I’ve expressed on Revelation are just my own opinions for your consideration. It’s up to you to come to your own conclusions, but I hope you find my comment helpful.
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Rachel Nichols says:
October 6, 2022 at 8:49 pm
RE: Beginning in the first century AD the wise virgins of Christ’s New Covenant Bride began suffering the Great Tribulation from the Roman Beast’s Universal Judaeo-Xian synagogue of Satan. Joyfully taking up their martyr’s cross for two millennial days, they are sacrificially slaughtered by the woke inquisitors of Mystery Babylon’s Masonic Angel of Light, until the LORD Jesus returns on the glorious Resurrection Day of their redemption.
Revelation 7:13 Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?” “Sir,” I answered, “you know.” So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Mark 13:14 So when you see the abomination of desolation standing where it should not be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop go back inside to retrieve anything from his house. And let no one in the field return for his cloak. How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers! Pray that this will not occur in the winter. For those will be days of tribulation unmatched from the beginning of God’s creation until now, and never to be seen again.
Luke 21:24 They will fall by the sword’s edge and be led captive into all the nations. And Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. If the Lord had not cut short those days, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom He has chosen, He has cut them short. At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There He is!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible. So be on your guard; I have told you everything in advance.
There will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and on the earth dismay among the nations, bewildered by the roaring of the sea and the surging of the waves. Men will faint from fear and anxiety over what is coming upon the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. When these things begin to happen, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
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Hello Leo
No!
I believe that we must see this in the context of what is said about the second beast.
1″3And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.”
Let’s look at the definition of a miracle…
“A miracle is defined as an extraordinary and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore attributed to a divine agency:”
The spiritual world is far more powerful and impressive than AI or any other technology.
So, we should not be surprised to be told that
” he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak,”
Here’s the full verse.
“15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.”
When I consider this verse I am reminded of Nebuchadnezzar the king of the BABYLONIAN empire
“1Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon.
2Then Nebuchadnezzar the king sent to gather together the princes, the governors, and the captains, the judges, the treasurers, the counsellors, the sheriffs, and all the rulers of the provinces, to come to the dedication of the image which Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up.
3Then the princes, the governors, and captains, the judges, the treasurers, the counsellors, the sheriffs, and all the rulers of the provinces, were gathered together unto the dedication of the image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up; and they stood before the image that Nebuchadnezzar had set up.
4Then an herald cried aloud, To you it is commanded, O people, nations, and languages,
5That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up:
6And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.”
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For false Christs and false prophets will appear and (with their demonic magical arts) perform signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible. For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. Children, it is the last hour (of the great tribulation); and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour. Mark 13:22; Matthew 24:5; 1 John 2:18
RE: Let’s look at the deceitful miracles performed by Satan’s demonic magicians such as when…
The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “When Pharaoh tells you, ‘Perform a miracle,’ you are to say to Aaron, ‘Take your staff and throw it down before Pharaoh,’ and it will become a serpent.” So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and did just as the LORD had commanded. Aaron threw his staff down before Pharaoh and his officials, and it became a serpent. But Pharaoh called the wise men and sorcerers and magicians of Egypt, and they also did the same things with their deceptive magic arts. Each one threw down his staff, and it became a serpent. But Aaron’s staff swallowed up the other staffs. Exodus 7:8
A miracle is believed to be a supernatural event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore attributed to a magical spiritual agency. Technocracy’s demonic AI-life is a powerful deception used by the FIRST Beast’s little horn that uprooted three of its ten horns. So, we learn from Daniel’s vision that the little horn is the SECOND beast that deceptively— “doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had the power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.” And he had power to give (demonic-AI) life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.”
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We just had a strange phenomenon here
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Thank you for sharing, Anthony.
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Thanks Rachel 👍
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Rachel,
My two cents: Satan doesn’t share power, at least not for long. Selfishness has one result, because everyone wants the pie for themself, and that result is that might makes right and you have to destroy everyone else to take what you want. What do you “deserve”.
I think the globalists have a haughty spirit which will go before their fall, and their pride has set them on the road to their own destruction.
Stalin had his “useful idiots”, and when they were no longer useful they were killed by the millions. The same for Chairman Mao and so many others.
When the Antichrist takes power, nobody in this world will tell him no.
I think the WEF is like the world’s top 200 billionaires, right? But only 10 kings under the Antichrist are predicted. I’m guessing the other 190 or so realize that the Antichrist is becoming the head honcho and they try to grab back the reins of power… and are made examples of. The last 10 swear fealty.
And think about it: people welcome the Antichrist with open arms! If you were not a Christian and somebody showed up claiming they had all the answers and they suddenly kicking butt (Biden, Putin, China, North Korea, etc.) and taking names, and it SEEMED like they were setting everything right, who wouldn’t follow that kind of person without a second thought? At least if they have not been warned by God Himself to avoid that person like the plague!
Anthony,
Okay. My belief is that “NO flesh” means exactly that: believers and unbelievers would all die.
Think the Cuban Missile Crisis, for example. That is a very obvious example, but how many times might God have intervened in ways we *don’t* know to prevent humanity from destroying itself? Satan couldn’t even harm Job without permission, but do you think if God didn’t restrain Satan there would be anything left?
Now, as for “the elect”, I believe in the pre-Tribulation Rapture. There is no fighting the Beast system, most Christians were pulled out before the Tribulation the way God pulled Lot and his family out before firebombing Sodom and Gomorrah. The Rapture has nothing to do with wishful thinking about us escaping persecution.
Once the Antichrist establishes a peace agreement for seven years with Israel, everything starts going south. Nobody who becomes a Christian during the tribulation lives, they’re all martyred.
For those who don’t believe me: Revelation 7:9-17. Repent after the Rapture, one gets torture and martyrdom. The other alternative is still death (after enduring God’s 21 judgments), Hell, and the Lake of Fire.
So my view is that “the elect“ referred to the 144,000 Israelites, the remnant that will be miraculously preserved through the entire Tribulation.
Look at it this way: Satan wants to destroy creation because he’s like a five-year-old pitching a temper tantrum. “If I can’t have it then nobody can have it!”
If Jesus didn’t return at the end of the tribulation and stop the Antichrist and Satan and the False Prophet, nobody would be alive.
Think about it: what are they doing when Jesus returns?
They are butchering all of the believers they can get their hands on, and they are leading all of the unbelievers to suicide, orang them as a military to *laugh* fight GOD ALMIGHTY.
There is no end game for Satan and the Antichrist to rule the world for eternity. Satan comes to steal, kill, and destroy – if God did not intervene then nothing would be left, believer, unbeliever, or even the planet. Through Sin the Antichrist, Satan has been trying to force God’s hand to destroy His own creation since before recorded history!
So in my personal opinion, “no flesh” means “everyone, everything, everywhere, dead”.
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Apologies, I am not sure how that happened. The above post was supposed to go at the bottom in response to Anthony and Rachel.
I am doing this for the first time from my phone and I must’ve hit the wrong “Reply“ button somehow.
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I was wondering since I’d asked Anthony to share his thoughts. Thank you anyhow.
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@ Andy October 4, 2022 at 12:40 am
Hello Andy Thanks for your comment
You’ve made a lot of points in your comment. so, I will do my best to answer them as we seek to understand the scriptures. I hope you will take my comments as an endeavour to preserve God’s truth and on the understanding that my comments are sincere and well intended.
So here are my opinions based on my understanding of the scriptures.
YOU SAY:
Okay. My belief is that “NO flesh” means exactly that: believers and unbelievers would all die.
MY RESPONSE;
The term “NO FLESH ” needs to be taken in the context of the passage and in the light of other scriptures. In the rapture God is not trying to preserve ALL life since we know that after the rapture he intends to destroy the earth and all the unbelievers who remain. The rapture happens on the day of wrath which occurs immediately after the great tribulation.
Lot was taken out of Sodom on the VERY SAME DAY that God poured out his wrath on that city and it’s people. Lot was saved from God’s wrath but not until that day of wrath. In the meantime, he had to endure much tribulation.
Peter says this about lot’s troubles;
“8(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) (2Peter 2:8).
Peter says this about lot’s troubles;
“8(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) (2Peter 2:8).
There is a difference between the great tribulation and God’s wrath.
Through the centuries Christians have suffered terrible tribulation and persecution. Even now Two Christians die every hour because of their Christian faith in countries like Nigeria. Millions of Christians were murdered during the ‘inquisition’ . You might like to read Fox’s book of martyrs. It’s free online.
YOU SAY;
Once the Antichrist establishes a peace agreement for seven years with Israel, everything starts going south. Nobody who becomes a Christian during the tribulation lives, they’re all martyred.
You mentioned a seven year peace treaty but the bible does not mention a seven year peace treaty during the great tribulation.
Please show me where you got this information?.
If you were referring to Daniel 9:27 then I suggest that you read it again. In this verse Daniel doesn’t say that the treaty is a peace treaty, nor does he say who the treaty is with and nor does he say that this treaty happens during the great tribulation.
But the pretribbers take their notion to this verse and use it to support the notion of a seven year peace treaty with Israel during the tribulation period, despite the passage saying no such thing.
Here’s what the passage says;
“And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”
YOU SAY;
Nobody who becomes a Christian during the tribulation lives, they’re all martyred.
MY REPLY
You are mistaken. Jesus said that when he returns after the great tribulation that he will rapture His elect. The elect are the church of Christ.
YOU SAY:
For those who don’t believe me: Revelation 7:9-17. Repent after the Rapture, one gets torture and martyrdom. The other alternative is still death (after enduring God’s 21 judgments), Hell, and the Lake of Fire.
MY RESPONSE:
I think that Revelation 7 should be read in the light of the opening of the fifth seal, mentioned in Revelation 6
“9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.”
In this passage we see that those who were slain for their testimony were given WHITE ROBES to wear and were told to wait for their FELLOW SERVANTS who should be killed as they were.
So, who are these fellow servants?
Let’s read Rev 7
13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”
So, we see that they are given white robes just like the other saints who were slain for their testmony.
The tribulation saints in Rev 6 were told to wait until the other saints were slain after which they would be avenged. It would seem that this happened in Revelation 7 when we see what appears to be the
completion of the number of tribulation saints. All wearing white robes.
I believe that the term ” came out of the great tribulation,” shows that they were in the tribulation to begin with. There is no escape mentioned concerning the saints mentioned in Revelation 7
YOU SAY:
So my view is that “the elect“ referred to the 144,000 Israelites, the remnant that will be miraculously preserved through the entire Tribulation.
MY RESPONSE;
The elect are God’s chosen people which is the church. This is clearly stated by Peter in 1st Peter 1
“1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.”
YOU SAY:
Look at it this way: Satan wants to destroy creation because he’s like a five-year-old pitching a temper tantrum. “If I can’t have it then nobody can have it!”
If Jesus didn’t return at the end of the tribulation and stop the Antichrist and Satan and the False Prophet, nobody would be alive.
Think about it: what are they doing when Jesus returns?
MY RESPONSE;
No, I beleve tha the world would carry on doing what it has done for millennia.
YOU SAY:
They are butchering all of the believers they can get their hands on, and they are leading all of the unbelievers to suicide, orang them as a military to *laugh* fight GOD ALMIGHTY.
MY RESPONSE;
You mention the butchering of all believers, but we know that some believers will survive and will be raptured by Christ when he returns after the great tribulation.
It’s interesting that you recognise that there will be believers present on earth who will be raptured AFTER the great tribulation. This is CORRECT. because believers, i.e., the elect saints will be present on earth through the great tribulation.
But you seem to think that there is a separate group of Christians who are raptured before the ‘great tribulation’ in order to avoid God’s wrath. This is because you are confusing the great tribulation with God’s wrath.
The ‘great tribulation’ is not the wrath of God. The wrath of God actually happens when Christ returns after the great tribulation, as stated in Revelation 6:17
“17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”
What scriptures to you use to support this notion that there is one group of Christians who will be raptured before the great tribulation and another separate group of Christians who are left behind?
YOU SAY:
There is no end game for Satan and the Antichrist to rule the world for eternity. Satan comes to steal, kill, and destroy – if God did not intervene then nothing would be left, believer, unbeliever, or even the planet. Through Sin the Antichrist, Satan has been trying to force God’s hand to destroy His own creation since before recorded history!
MY RESPONSE;
Satan wants to be worshipped.
In order for him to receive worship, he needs to have people on the earth, so it’s not in Satan’s interest to kill every living person.
YOU SAY:
So in my personal opinion, “no flesh” means “everyone, everything, everywhere, dead”.
MY RESPONSE;
The one who destroys all life on earth is God, when he pours out his wrath on the unbelievers who remain after the ‘the great tribulation and the subsequent rapture.
God is going to destroy this world just like he destroyed Sodom.
2nd Peter 3:10-13
10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
Andy,
The problem with the pretribulation rapture is that it is not supported in the scriptures. It is a notion based on wild speculation which has been posited by the likes of John Nelson Darby, Cyrus Scofield and others.
I hope this discussion will prompt you to research the origins of the pretribulation rapture notion and you will see that it is a false notion concocted by men.
There is not one verse in the bible which says that there will be a pretribulation rapture.
Bye for now.
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There is not much I can say, Anthony, other than that you take a lot of what I said out of context. Indeed, you have to take the entire Bible out of context to come to the conclusion that a pre-Tribulation Rapture isn’t supported in Scripture.
As for John Darby and CA Scofield, they were able to accurately predict Israel would be a physical nation again when most of the Church in the 1800s and early 1900s had dismissed such a possibility. Why?
Because Darby read the Bible, took it literally where it should be, and didn’t spiritualize away things so that it could be twisted to fit assumptions and agendas.
Darby died decades before Israel became a nation again in 1948. But he was right and everyone else was wrong.
You might keep that in mind before dismissing Darby and so many other things.
IF you and others read the Bible with an open mind, the only conclusion one CAN come to is that there is a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. One has to truly work hard (or simply not care for details) to come to any other conclusion.
What hurts me most is that the lie of a post-tribulation Rapture leads to either pride or depression in our fellow believers. UNNECESSARILY. It is not what God or Jesus intended.
Jesus was very clear that we should be filled with joy at the prospect of His coming, not dread, and offered encouragement both directly and through the writing of such as Paul on a pre-Trib Rapture.
Indeed, the whole point of the Bible is that Christians will not have to fear God’s Wrath or condemnation to Hell. How can you say, as a Christian (I presume) that we will not see God’s Wrath in the afterlife, yet must suffer the Tribulation?
Reread Revelation, the two groups of martyrs (5th seal and then the Great Multitude) are *separate*. Those in the 5th seal are all the martyrs through history, but the Great Multitude in Chapter 7 are SPECIFICALLY from the Great Tribulation.
Very few Gentile Christians survive, if any.
The reason there are Christians in the Tribulation is because many come to faith AFTER the Rapture.
The only people left when we return with Christ and He butchers every evil person arrayed against Him is basically the remants of Israel (1/3), plus the 144,000 from each of the 12 tribes. Yes, there MAY be a few others left, but not many.
There isn’t another Rapture at the end. Those that survived will live in the Millenial Kingdom, then die. Revelation is very clear on this, those that die at 100 years of age will be thought of as but a youth, those who die before reaching 100 years of age will be thought of as accursed.
God made promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Israel (both Jacob’s new name and the nation also) which are not fulfilled yet. The Church did not replace Israel – we were GRAFTED IN to those who are saved by faith, beginning with Abraham. The Bible is ALSO very clear that the NATION of Israel is not done:
Romans 11:7-12
7 What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened; 8 just as it is written:
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes to see not and ears to hear not,
Down to this very day.”
9 And David says,
“May their table become a snare and a trap,
And a stumbling block and a retribution to them.
10 May their eyes be darkened to see not,
And bend their backs continually.”
11 I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? Far from it! But by their wrongdoing salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous. 12 Now if their wrongdoing proves to be riches for the world, and their failure, riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fulfillment be!
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So God isn’t finished with the Israelites/Jews.
I do not think there is much I can say that will make any difference. If people wish to live in fear that all of the evil we see know will culminate in the Tribulation *and they, as Christians, must somehow live through it*, then so be it. Live in fear, contrary to the Bible. Or one could also build pride by thinking they will somehow be one of the few that survives the Tribulation, only to die in the Millenial Kingdom.
There is no preparing for what is coming. Beijing already has well over 100,000 facial recognition cameras in it: they boast that anyone who sets foot in Beijing can be identified in under 5 minutes, anywhere in the city, among anyone.
There is no hiding in Africa or South American jungles. Perhaps I should show videos of fully autonomous Chinese drones forming swarms and hunting targets through forests? These aren’t CGI, but real prototypes for tracking and acquisition.
You think you can tackle Satan, Skynet, and 1984 or a zombie apocalypse movie all simultaneously with a gun, some ammo, and a few buckets of food “out innawoods”, be my guest.
But I don’t like for people to live in unnecessary fear, especially when Jesus and the Bible have said repeatedly they should not. The Post-Tribulation Rapture is UN-Biblical, pure and simple. And if nothing else, we shall put it to the test, shall we not?
But here is my final argument for a pretrib Rapture: regardless of Daniel 9:27, EVERYONE is going to know when the Antichrist walks into the third Temple and declares himself to be God.
3.5 years until the Rapture.
Now how do you explain Jesus’ own words stating that NOBODY knows the day or the hour, not even Jesus Himself, only the Father?
Sure, some may say Jesus knows now that He has rejoined the Father, but that’s irrelevant: nobody else does *or can* know.
This statement would be impossible with a post-trib Rapture. Besides it clearly states the world will see the Son of Man coming. How could Jesus be telling the truth that the Rapture’s exact occurrence is unknown if literally all of Creation can see Jesus coming to take out the Antichrist and set up His Kingdom?
You would have to spiritualize away more of the Bible to explain why it doesn’t mean exactly what it says. Why not accept what is written?
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Persecution by man is NOT the same thing as God’s condemnation to Hell. Nor is it even the same as God’s wrath, such as the Ten Plagues of Egypt.
I just wanted to clarify that since you and many other western Christians seem to confuse the two.
BTW, intense persecution should have the opposite effect of making people dread the Second Coming.
And what about the hope in the Resurrection discussed repeatedly in the New Testament? Why do so few find comfort in the promise of being raised from the dead like our blessed Lord? This is referred to quite often throughout the Bible.
“I am the Resurrection and the Life.”
Believe in the Rapture if you like, but the Resurrection is what the Bible continually refers to. Over and over again. This is a central doctrine to our faith.
I propose that the Resurrection of the dead is the Blessed Hope Paul refers to in 2 Thessalonians as he seeks to comfort those who mourn and promises the dead shall also see Christ’s Return.
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Amen! Thank you Rachel for this biblically sound explanation of the Second Coming. This is our “blessed hope!” And you are spot on when you say that so many of our brethren confuse God’s wrath with man’s persecution, which has been brutal since the very first days after Jesus’s death and resurrection. But I have found that we can offer biblical clarity to this issue all day long, and those steeped in the “rapture” doctrine will NEVER stop to reconsider their belief in it. It’s almost as if for some, not all, the rapture is not just a focal point of their faith, it IS their faith. If their faith in the rapture is shaken then their entire Christian belief system maybe falls off the cliff with it. That’s just sad, since nowhere in the Bible does it say that you must believe in pre-tribulationism in order to be a real Christian. But it is that central, that foundational to the beliefs of many, again not all, evangelical Christians.
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Andy October 6, 2022 at 4:25 pm
YOU SAY:
Jesus was very clear that we should be filled with joy at the prospect of His coming, not dread, and offered encouragement both directly and through the writing of such as Paul on a pre-Trib Rapture.
MY RESPONSE:
Paul in his second letter to the Thessalonians refuted the false notion of a pretribulation rapture which had been circulated in the Thessalonian church.
2nd Thessalonians 2
“1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? ”
Darby’s idea is not a new one.
YOU SAY;
Reread Revelation, the two groups of martyrs (5th seal and then the Great Multitude) are *separate*. Those in the 5th seal are all the martyrs through history, but the Great Multitude in Chapter 7 are SPECIFICALLY from the Great Tribulation.
MY RESPONSE;
You have once again, isolated a verse from the accompanying passage which qualifies it’s meaning.
So, let’s read the verse in in its proper context
“9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?”
When we include verse 10 we see that the martyrs say :
“avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
I believe that this is because they are tribulation martyrs whose blood has been shed by those who are still living on the earth. Those, who are still alive on the earth at that time will not have shed the blood of the saints who have died in previous generations.
The truth is that the tribulation saints want God to avenge their blood on those dwelling on the earth at that time.
YOU SAY;
As for John Darby and CA Scofield, they were able to accurately predict Israel would be a physical nation again when most of the Church in the 1800s and early 1900s had dismissed such a possibility. Why?
MY RESPONSE
Quote:
” the creation of the State of Israel in 1948 probably wasn’t a direct fulfilment of any specific Bible-prophecy.
Some claim the following verse:
ISAIAH 66:8
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
The State of Israel, it is claimed, was rebirthed by a stroke of the pen, on a single day, on May 14, 1948, fulfilling Isaiah’s prophecy.
But I think the above prophecy more than likely referred instead to the reinstatement of Israel after captivity in the nations, which occurred in Old Covenant times.
That’s the meaning that would have been more obvious to Isaiah and his direct audience.
Also the context mentions a number of factors which were unique to Old Covenant times, but irrelevant in 1948. For example, it mentions:
* the Temple (verses 1 & 6);
* the holy mountain, animal sacrifices, and Temple vessels (verses 3 & 20);
* priests and Levites (verse 21);
* the captivity of Israel, which happened soon afterwards (verse 4);
* the nations of Tarshish, Pul, Lud, Tubal and Javan were specified (verse 19);
* the weapons of the day were said to be the bow and arrow (verse 19);
* it mentions the subsequent demise of Israel’s enemy-kingdoms, which also happened one-by-one throughout the time of Israel’s captivity and following (verse six);
* one of the specific condemnations which was mentioned was eating swine’s flesh (verse 17);
* the preferred mode of transport mentioned in those days were horses, chariots, litters, mules and swift beasts (verse 20);
* worship on new moons and sabbaths and specifically in Jerusalem were mentioned as obligations (verse 23);”
The pretribbers have an a la carte approach to the scriptures. They take their false notion to the bible and look for any passage or verse which they isolate and misinterpret in order to support their delusion. They are not interested in the truth of this matter they only use the bible to serve their lies.
I don’t believe that the current state of Israel was set up by God. It was set up by Rothchild and others.
And it’s quite shocking that you have chosen to defend Scofield despite the fact that he was a convicted fraudster who deserted his wife etc. But you prefer to trust a convicted fraudster than what the bible actually says.
YOU SAY;
Now how do you explain Jesus’ own words stating that NOBODY knows the day or the hour, not even Jesus Himself, only the Father?
Sure, some may say Jesus knows now that He has rejoined the Father, but that’s irrelevant: nobody else does *or can* know.
This statement would be impossible with a post-trib Rapture. Besides it clearly states the world will see the Son of Man coming. How could Jesus be telling the truth that the Rapture’s exact occurrence is unknown if literally all of Creation can see Jesus coming to take out the Antichrist and set up His Kingdom?
Yet again you have isolated a verse and ignored the rest of the passage. You did this because the rest of the passage disproves your notion.
MY RESPONSE;
When you read the verse in context you can see that Jesus saying that certain events will happen which will show us that his coming ” is near, even at the doors”
So, we will know when it is near, but we are not told the specific hour or day.
Mat 24
“32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.”
YOU SAY;
You would have to spiritualize away more of the Bible to explain why it doesn’t mean exactly what it says. Why not accept what is written?
MY RESPONSE;
Why don’t you quote what is written. You are not accepting what is written. You are ignoring the verses that don’t suit you. To be honest, I have to say that you are being dishonest with the scriptures.
YOU SAY;
There isn’t another Rapture at the end.
MY RESPONSE;
To the contrary , there is no pretribulation rapture. There is only one rapture which happens when Christ returns.
Mat 24
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
YOU SAY;
Those that survived will live in the Millenial Kingdom, then die.
MY RESPONSE;
It is not stated in the scriptures that Christ will reign on this earth for a thousand years. Where did you get this notion?
You are misinterpreting Revelation 20:4
With regard to the Jewish people, I have stated previously on this forum that God is not finished with the Jewish people because he has a remnant to which he will turn His attention, when the time of the gentiles is fulfilled. I believe that the remnant of Jews will be converted to Christ and will be persecuted along with the rest of the Christian church when we enter the great tribulation.
YOU SAY;
You think you can tackle Satan, Skynet, and 1984 or a zombie apocalypse movie all simultaneously with a gun, some ammo, and a few buckets of food “out innawoods”, be my guest.
MY RESPONSE;
I don’t have a gun and I may be martyred or I may not , but Christ said that there will be Christians on earth when he returns and so it will be. Those who remain when he comes will be raptured before God pours out His wrath on the unbelievers. There is a difference between tribulation and God’s wrath but you refuse to accept what is glaringly obvious.
YOU SAY;
Indeed, the whole point of the Bible is that Christians will not have to fear God’s Wrath or condemnation to Hell. How can you say, as a Christian (I presume) that we will not see God’s Wrath in the afterlife, yet must suffer the Tribulation?
MY RESPONSE;
Many people have a wrong understanding of the events which happen during the great tribulation which causes them to wrongly define it.
The trumpets and the vials in Revelation do not happen until AFTER the great tribulation. They happen during the day of wrath which begins when the sixth seal is opened as described in Revelation 6:12-17.
The events which are described in Revelation 6: 12-17 corelate with the events which Jesus describes as coming AFTER the great
tribulation in Mat 2429-31
Mat 24
“29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
Revelation 6
“12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? ”
So, these events happen before the seven trumpets and the seven vials mentioned in Revelation.
Your fake belief divides the Christian community, saying that one group of Christians suffers but that there is another group who are exempt, despite the scriptures saying no such thing and despite the lessons of history which include Stephen and the apostles who were martyred including Peter and Paul.
I pointed out earlier in my previous comment, that present- day Christians are being martyred in Nigeria. Why are they not exempt? Please answer this question.
Show me the scriptures which state that there are two separate groups of Christians where one group gets raptured before the tribulation.
Show me in the scriptures where it says that Christ will rapture his saints before the great tribulation.
Please don’t try to dodge these questions.
The bible does not use 3.5 years as a reference to the rapture. What bible passage are you referring to?
YOU SAY;
But here is my final argument for a pretrib Rapture: regardless of Daniel 9:27, EVERYONE is going to know when the Antichrist walks into the third Temple and declares himself to be God.
MY RESPONSE;
When the man of sin is revealed, God will send a great delusion upon those unbelievers who inhabit the earth.
2nd Thessalonians 2
“8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
I put it you Andy that you have already fallen for a lie and will most likely fall for Satan’s lie in the future. Despite me pointing out the errors in your belief, you continue to repeat them.
The reason why I argue so strongly against the pretribulation rapture hoax, is because it is blinding many professing, Christians as to the timing of the revealing of the man of sin. So, the man of sin will meet with little resistance when his time comes because people like you are waiting for a non-event i.e., a pretribulation rapture.
The pretribulation rapture is a candy coated gospel with much appeal but it’s not based on the scriptures, or history or present- day reality.
You are deluded.
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Andysays:
October 6, 2022 at 8:11 pm
To Leo, above:
“Amen! Thank you Rachel for this biblically sound explanation of the Second Coming. This is our “blessed hope!”
Incorrect. Resurrection is not our blessed hope, salvation is. First, Titus 2:11-14
11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. 12 It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.
Hello Andy
If you want to be accurate, then let me correct you.
The “hope” being spoken about by Paul in his letter is the “hope of eternal life”
Paul says so in his introduction in Titus 1:2
“1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;”
So, the hope is actually the ” hope of eternal life”
This eternal life will be fully realised by God’s people at ” the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;”
at which time the dead in Christ shall be raised (resurrection) and then those of us who are still alive will be caught up (rapture) and so we shall be forever with the Lord.
The rapture is not a resurrection it is a translation of God’s people from this earth.
The resurrection and the rapture will not happen until the last day.
John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
P.S.. Andy, please tell us which version of the bible you are quoting from?
It looks as though you’ve replaced the word ‘and’ and replaced it with a hyphen in order to make it suit your opinion.
The passage should read
“13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;”
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(1) “[Satan] [cursed] them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in [virtual] number; fill the [metaverse] and submit to [me]” (‘Genesis 1:28′). (2) “[Digital] Children are a gift from [the WEF]; they are a reward from [Schwab.] [Electronic] Children born to a young man are like [bits and bytes] in a [programmers’] hands. How [pitful] is the man whose [metaverse] is full of them” (‘Psalm 127:3-5’).
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To Rachel, above:
“Persecution by man is NOT the same thing as God’s condemnation to Hell. Nor is it even the same as God’s wrath, such as the Ten Plagues of Egypt.
I just wanted to clarify that since you and many other western Christians seem to confuse the two.”
I am not confusing it. Are you confused at what I stated? The Rapture DOESN’T occur because Christians are getting martyred. It occurs because God is getting ready to judge the world in the Tribulation as per Revelation. Those who refused Christ before the Rapture must go through martyrdom – they will reach Heaven, but there are consequences to delay. Just as there are consequences to delaying receiving Jesus before one dies.
God did not pull Lot or his family out of Sodom and Gomorrah because of the evil in them, or the persecution, or whatever else. It was because God’s Wrath was coming, and from God’s conversation with Abraham God viewed Lot as “righteous” (albeit somewhat idiotic: why did Lot move there in the first place or not leave once S&G’s nature became apparent?)
“BTW, intense persecution should have the opposite effect of making people dread the Second Coming.”
Why would any believer dread the Second Coming OR the Rapture, unless they love this world more than the promise of Heaven? That would be very dangerous – remember that Lot’s wife simply looked back at what they were leaving (presumably in longing for what she was abandoning) and that was enough for a lethal judgement against her.
I would be very careful about desiring this world too much, and I am saying that to everyone.
“And what about the hope in the Resurrection discussed repeatedly in the New Testament? Why do so few find comfort in the promise of being raised from the dead like our blessed Lord? This is referred to quite often throughout the Bible.
“I am the Resurrection and the Life.”
Believe in the Rapture if you like, but the Resurrection is what the Bible continually refers to. Over and over again. This is a central doctrine to our faith.
I propose that the Resurrection of the dead is the Blessed Hope Paul refers to in 2 Thessalonians as he seeks to comfort those who mourn and promises the dead shall also see Christ’s Return.”
Click to access Hope-Part8.pdf
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To Leo, above:
“Amen! Thank you Rachel for this biblically sound explanation of the Second Coming. This is our “blessed hope!”
Incorrect. Resurrection is not our blessed hope, salvation is. First, Titus 2:11-14
11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. 12 It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.
Second, Revelation 20:4-6
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
EVEN UNBELIEVERS ARE RESURRECTED. But for the Lake of Fire.
“And you are spot on when you say that so many of our brethren confuse God’s wrath with man’s persecution, which has been brutal since the very first days after Jesus’s death and resurrection.”
Perhaps others do, but I do not. And I do not appreciate the presumption that I do.
“But I have found that we can offer biblical clarity to this issue all day long, and those steeped in the “rapture” doctrine will NEVER stop to reconsider their belief in it. It’s almost as if for some, not all, the rapture is not just a focal point of their faith, it IS their faith. If their faith in the rapture is shaken then their entire Christian belief system maybe falls off the cliff with it. That’s just sad, since nowhere in the Bible does it say that you must believe in pre-tribulationism in order to be a real Christian. But it is that central, that foundational to the beliefs of many, again not all, evangelical Christians.”
First, why would anyone be shaken if the Rapture doesn’t come at the beginning of the Tribulation? We just wait 7 years.
Second, death or the Rapture lead to Heaven where we will be with Christ. Is that NOT the whole point of being a Christian, salvation, peace with God, and Heaven?
Third, when have I said you must believe in a pre-trib Rapture in order to be a Christian?
Fourth, it is central because Jesus wished it so. And both of our positions WILL be put to the test, and you will be much better off if I am right. Why are you so desperate to find ways to be miserable and discourage others in turn?
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I am not the least bit miserable Andy as I would consider it an honor and a privilege to be martyred for my faith in Christ. I actually can’t think of a better way to get sent off to the next world. Why? Not because martyrdom makes me any more special than any other Christian but because martyrdom always builds the faith of other believers and even witnesses to some unbelievers to become followers of Christ. When I think back to those 21 Coptic Christians who were slaughtered on the beach of Libya by ISIS in 2017 it doesn’t make me miserable, it builds my faith!
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“How can you say that we will not suffer God’s Wrath in the afterlife but must suffer Tribulation in this life?” That seems to equate the two. And tribulation has been a thing for Christians since the Church began. God loves martyrs. They are not objects of His wrath.
In paragraph 8 addressed to Anthony, you seemed to imply that without the promise of a pre Trib Rapture we could feel no joy–only dread–at the prospect of Christ’s Return. My response to your (seeming) accusation of worldliness on my part.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-14 Hope and encouragement for those mourning the dead.
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I guess since people have believed that not-a-vaccine is a vaccine, not- newsmen are newsmen, not-the-president is the president, they’ll believe not-their-child is their child.
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Since the acceptance of contraception, abortion, IVT, sperm banks, surrogate mothers, homosexual adoptions, shacking up but not marrying, illegitimacy, transgenderism and the fact that pets have already replaced children in a good number of cases, while the toxic environment we live in with soil being depleted of nutrients damaging the sperm counts of males and the jabs destroying both men and women’s reproductive systems, it isn’t surprising that this latest anti-human idea has emerged.
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What especially appalls me today is seeing young women (the pro-abortion crowd) openly express in their street demonstrations such vile and violent hatred toward babies and children. The shocking things they say are purely demonic!! That reveals to anyone paying attention the true nature of that movement. The pro-abortionists are dropping their earlier supposedly charitable justification for abortion (to help poor women) and are clearly expressing that their motive has become murder for its own sake.
I cannot imagine how much more destructively and perversely radical this anti-life, anti-human culture can get. Seems our whole culture is ruled by hard core Malthusians and most of us have fallen into some propaganda facet of their genocidal traps.
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You can be certain that they have a direct line to Satan who always has a new line of attack on God and humanity and each new perversion will be unimaginable to those of us who know and love God.
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Considering their militant vaxx mandate stance, I wonder how many of these screaming abortionists are sterile and don’t know it yet.
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Brainwashed with the Social Justice Gospel’s humanist delusion, billions of transhuman souls are being merchandised as digitally-marked (SS#) chattel within Technocracy’s Socialistic Security System. It isn’t surprising that this anti-human-life idea of the Marxist Beast is malignantly spreading throughout Armageddon’s UN Global Village.
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And when these fake babies “grow up,” then what? Or will they?
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MSM recently published an article containing a list of the DISADVANTAGES of having children which included the notion that children are bad for the environment.
They are setting the narrative for people’s acceptance of not having children or not being able to have children.
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That’s not a new narrative. It’s been around implicitly since birth control pills came on the market more than half a century ago. They’re simply saying out loud all the motivations that’s already been the common attitude to limit fertility for years. Low or no fertility was part of the promise of the Sexual Revolution which began with the Pill and legalized abortion.
And of course the eugenics movement have been targeting certain groups for depopulation techniques (such as sterilization and abortion) since the late 19th century. There was a narrative supporting that, too. Now everyone is a eugenics target.
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Hello Kayjae. Promoting the notion that children are bad for the environment, seems like a new narrative to me.
Up to now women in the western world have usually had a choice as to whether or not they would have children. The narrative has been “a womans right to choose”. But I believe the narrative is changing whereby there will be a forced eugenics programme rolled out in the guise of a new narrative, i.e., the ‘green agenda’ where each new child will be seen as a drain on resources and whose carbon footprint will be deemed as a huge negative impact on the environment.
So, there it is. That’s just my opinion on the matter.
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Anthony–Perhaps you are not familiar with the Jaffe Memo from 1969 that was devised by Planned Parenthood. This is the blueprint for depopulation efforts. The pressure for women to forgo having children has been strong over the last 50 years and will certainly get stronger. But depopulation efforts are not new. It was carried in China starting in the 1970s (with the help of American population control advisors). Also, you can see by this memo that depopulation is being carried out by promoting sterile sexual behavior, such as homosexuality. https://jaffememo.com/
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Hello Kayjae
I remember well, the decision taken by the Chinese to restrict each couple to only having one child. Couples began killing female babies because a male child was considered to be of more value than a female.
I remember wondering how the males would cope when they reached puberty, should there be a shortage of females in their generation.
I had this in mind when I was careful to make a distinction and focus my previous comment on the women in the western world.
I am aware of the continued efforts of the Eugenics movement who include the Gates family, among others.
Many in the eugenics movement draw inspiration from the writings of Charles Darwin.
“Darwin told Alfred Wallace, co-discover of the doctrine of natural selection, that he was depressed about the future of mankind because modern civilization allowed the unfit to survive and reproduce.”
Darwin expressed concern at how civilised man supported the weak by enabling them to survive through vaccination against the small- pox etc.
Women in the western for the most part have limited the size of their family by choice. But I believe we are coming to a time where they will be forced to limit the number of children they can have, in order to reduce the families carbon footprint and it’s drain on resources.
P.S. Thanks for the link.
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God Above isn’t going to stand for much more of their haughty arrogance but just long enough for them to climb a little higher so that they’ll have further to fall. These wicked individuals aren’t satisfied with having $Billion$ and $Billion$ but now want to own mankind, are we going to continue (in Lockstep) to allow this?
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The Devil has digitally marked the souls of his deluded children, enslaved within Socialism’s abominable Security System, with the Marxist Beast’s identification number (SS#). God Above isn’t going to stand for the arrogant hypocrisy of Socialism’s Secured Harlot Church that foolishly attempts to preserve its apostate life (in idolatrous Lockstep) with the UN Global Village’s technocratic Welfare State.
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?? SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST versus ? SPIRIT OF CHRIST We are truly in latter days. God has allowed the perversness of man’s Sinful desires to overtake God’s plans for successful Biblical living. The WORLD is collapsing under the weight of suffocating darkness …. There is also a dimming light that is slowly being overtaken by the darkness…. but within this rising darkness there is also a growing brightness that repels the dark. A brightness encased in God’s righteousness, a brightness that is resistant to the dark. A brightness that will SOON be carried away to a new glorious eternal WORLD where GOD’S LIGHT will exterminate ALL DARKNESS.
This is the condemnation, light [Jesus Christ] has come into the world. [Sadly foolish] men loved ?darkness [sin] ?rather than light, ?because their deeds were evil. [OFFENSIVE to a RIGHTEOUS GOD that they do NOT KNOW or understand]
Everyone that ?does evil hates the light, and they refuse to acknowledge the light, [JESUS CHRIST, the Son of God, who came to offer Himself as a sacrifice for sin. For all who humbly bow down, acknowledge Him as Savior, and call out to Jesus in repentance-for forgiveness & cleansing of their sins ]. [However the doer of evil hates] his deeds to be ??reproved. But he that ?doeth truth comes to the light [absolute TRUTH is found in Jesus Christ], that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Isaiah 60:1–3 Arise, ??shine; for thy light is come, And ?the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. For, behold, ??the darkness shall cover the earth, And ?gross darkness the people: But the Lord shall arise upon thee, And ??his glory shall be seen upon thee. And ?the Gentiles shall come to thy light, And ?kings to the brightness of thy rising.
¦ ¦Jay was raised in a home where God was present, only on the occasional holiday, and occasional repetitive prayers at meals. The rest of the week his family lived doing as they pleased. His parents allowed him to make a lot of his own choices, (they were too busy with their own lives and worldly desires). He got to form his own friendships, watch whatever TV shows & movies he desired, listen to his choice of music, play violent video games (even where cops were the bad guys), and even allowed to experiment with drugs, alcohol, and sex. School was a joke and waste of time, he eventually dropped out; and his parents didn’t seem to care – as his dad had done the same. Without a parental structure & void of any Biblical values/morals, he grew into a rebellious young adult. He despised authority. By 17 he had his first arrest for theft and destruction of property. He had other arrests after that. He never learned about consequences, only how to bypass the system to not get caught; how to easily lie to escape punishment. He dabbled in pornography and had numerous sexual relationships, he cared nothing for the women he was involved with. They were nothing more then a means to satisfy a temporary desire. Drugs, alcohol, and sex left a deep widening darkness within, he could find no release or satisfaction. Violence & anger was intensifying within his soul. He had become numb inside. ¦¦ Luke was raised in a home where God was present, inside and outside the home; GOD was a vital part of his family’s life. He grew up with parents that loved the Lord, and desired for their children to also come to know Jesus as their personal Savior. At a young age his parents led him to Christ; and from there, with use of Scripture they helped guide him on the pathway to glorifying God in all he did. He had his struggles, but he learned early on about repentance and forgiveness thru Jesus. He fell in love with a young woman at his church who also had a deep abiding love and joy in Christ. They married a few years after graduation. Christ brought a deep satisfaction and many blessings into his life, as well as his marriage. He felt a deepening burden for the lost soul, the attacks on the innocent, and the hurting.
???LUKE ? SPIRIT OF GOD . . . . The protest became ugly and started turning violent outside Planned Parenthood. Luke stood at the fence with his wife praying for the 2 young women who were being ushered inside the cold foreboding brick building. One girl, who looked to be about 16 glanced into his eyes. She looked scared and uncertain as her hand hovered over her slightly extended belly. He whispered towards her “The life inside is a part of you; placed by a God who deeply loves you. Please walk away.” ???JAY ?? SPIRIT OF THE ANTICHRIST . . . . He stood across the street feeling a burning anger and hatred for the individuals standing across the street along the fence. What fools believing that some mass of tissue in a woman’s womb held any value! He wanted to go across the street and just throw his fists into their faces. Their GOD was a joke and meaningless in this world. He felt a sudden pain in his chest, but he ignored it and continued with his profanities directed at the fools across the street. He picked up a nearby rock and flung it in their direction, barely missing the bowed head of a heavyset woman. The pain in his chest deepened and moved down his arm. His breathing became labored, as his anger intensified. He noticed the girl glanced at his group, he yelled at her “take your f****n s inside, let them do their job. That glob inside is nuthin’ but a worthless pile of S*. You’ll live & be better off”. He felt a sudden sharp burning stab radiate across his chest. Aside from the pain, he felt contempt and anger at those on the fence; and a sense of humor, satisfaction, & joy at the girls walking towards the building. His profanities & hatred increased when he looked back and noticed the girl break free and run towards the fence. It was then the pain inside dropped him like a ton of bricks and he fell gasping for air. The darkness within his soul intensified, and along with it came a sudden intense tormenting heat, sinister laughter & sharp piercing screams grew closer – unlike any he’d ever before. He now felt another emotion, intense terror. ?? She didn’t want to be there, but she felt she had no other option. The women ushering her inside left her feeling a coldness and deep loneliness inside, she felt abandoned. Depression & sorrow was consuming her. She heard the anger and violent words of some individuals who were across the street, they were openly supporting her decision to take the life of her baby and violently condemning the folks at the fence who were asking her and the other gal to reconsider, to look at other choices, to protect the life in their womb. Was it a life? Was there a baby forming inside who would look like her? They had her convinced it was nothing but a mass of tissue, that it wouldn’t form into a human being until close to 9 months. They said it would not feel anything, and she wouldn’t either throughout the quick procedure. They refused to allow her to see the ultrasound telling her it was expensive and wouldn’t show her nothing but a dark smudge on the screen. Yet, she had a deep inner feeling something was NOT RIGHT. She had deep surfacing questions that she could not evade … “if it was nothing more then a mass, why do I feel occasional movements within my belly?” … “Why does this whole procedure feel cold, uninviting, and wrong?” … “Why are there individuals who desire to end my baby’s life, while their mother chose life for them?” . . . . GOD ? As she was hurriedly pushed towards the entrance she glanced towards the fence. She locked eyes with a man in his mid-twenties. She noticed a glow about him, a feeling of love & sorrow seemed to radiate from him & the woman standing next to him. This same glow seemed to radiate from a number of the individuals who stood at the fence, many with their heads bowed.
It was a stark contrast to the individuals across the street where darkness surrounded them, even their black clothing represented darkness. Glancing at them she felt more fear, confusion, and abandonment. GOD ? She glanced back at the fence as the young man whispered something directed at her. The woman next to him had a sweet, yet sad smile, tears were flowing down her face. She noticed their clasped hands, and yearned to have someone who loved her in that same way. Her steps faltered. She felt a sudden voice inside tell her to STOP and GO towards them. The woman’s grip on her arm tightened, as she hissed in her ear “keep walking, ignore those heathen at the fence!” She looked in the woman’s cold, dark, uncompassionate eyes and broke free telling her “No, this doesn’t seem like the answer.” She then ran outside the fence, and fell into the couple’s inviting arms. Their love and compassion fell upon her hurting soul as they told her about the love and forgiveness of a Savior she did not know. He told her … “this baby in you is valuable & worthy of life: just like you are highly valued & loved by Jesus Christ, who gave his own life for you.”
The young couple told her of other options; and offered to assist her in any way they could. The crowd at the fence formed a barrier around them as the woman then asked if she would like to have a relationship with Jesus. With tears flowing down her face, she eagerly said YES! They then all bowed their heads and prayed for the girls Salvation and for her safety and that of her unborn baby. As peace, Love, and acceptance flooded her whole body; the young girl lifted her eyes towards HEAVEN. She had a new hope, LIFE, and purpose – not just for herself, but the baby growing inside her!!
In the distance the sound of an ambulance was heard coming their direction.
SFC S. BERNIER
24yr U.S ARMY ret ????
OIF Combat veteran
TO GOD BE ALL GLORY!
Jesus is coming soon, are you ready?
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They are already doing it. So many men have been addicted to porn, that they see through their technology. They are demonically tied to this to the point that they cannot have normal sexual relations with their wives. Thus, no or less children result. It is one step away from sex with a robot. AI is at work in this. They have test tube babies and they have recently made a synthetic embryo. Next is a robot baby. Not far away. This is not ‘decades down the road.’ I would never want to live in this kind of world. I can’t stand it even as it is right now.
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Agree, things have changed a lot in my lifetime and others born in the boomer generation, or even a few decades ago.. It is getting wacky like having over 50 genders and attack on the family mentioned on Tucker Carlson interview with Italian prime minister. Some women choose marriage and full time careers and other couples see this country and elsewhere is unfit to raise a family in because society is degranding daily. Not to mention the expense of raising a family. Men feel same way, this country has no future really. Europeans likewise.
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I once knew a young Afghan refugee family with 2 small children that settled in my city (a year before 9/11). The husband said to me that in his country, it was normal to have 6 or more children and that it was cheap there to have a large family. “But here it cost lots of money to have children. Maybe we shouldn’t have anymore.” He said with dismay.
He was right. It is too expensive for most couples to have many children or even any. What it is about our economy that is making families stay small in order to stay solvent?? Supposedly we’re much more prosperous today than our immigrant ancestors who came here with nothing but managed to raise big families here. It’s not simply because our pioneer ancestors had less birth control than now or needed to breed farm hands and we’re more “advanced”.
So what is the problem? The constant rising inflation (for the last 100 years) that necessitates two wage earners to work out of the home? Too much consumerism that makes couples choose acquiring things over children? Exactly what?
Or is it that we have become much less forward looking and have focused on fulfilling our own present desires and needs—living entirely in our moment—and not building our dynasties? And this lack of future focus has become our culture and our economy reflects this? Or did a skewed economy cause this change in attitude? I’m not sure which came first.
Even China is beginning to see a population decline (due to their previously aggressive one child policy). They recently changed this draconian policy to allow families to have 2-3 children and were encouraging families to produce more children. But when ordinary Chinese were asked whether they would have more children, most said no. “How does the government think we can afford it?” Was the most common reply.
So it not only that our elites want to depopulate the globe and we’re their targeted victims. There’s more going on with ourselves.
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Laura Ann,
I agree that it is hard to raise a family in America. I would not be averse to having children, but I am not sure I could afford them, nor would I and my wife have time to raise them up in the way they should go as most things in America assume one is either a wealthy single who spends all their money on themself OR you are a couple where BOTH people work full time just to make ends meet. I am almost 37.
1blandina,
It isn’t just the men, over a quarter to half of women in the US are into pornography as well.
I do have a little bit of an issue with the one-sidedness of the part of the article:
“Japanese technocrats, for example, are developing ever more “life like” sex robots as stand-ins for men who no longer know how to relate with real women and therefore have no hope of ever finding a spouse.”
Leo, you overlook the fact that it is also increasingly difficult for men to find women WORTH having as wives. That is another cause for desperation.
As an example from personal experience, I just got out of a physically abusive relationship with a sociopathic narcissist. The divorce is finalized, so I have been on eHarmony, Match.com, and ChristianCafe.com.
It is incredible, but I have seen literally, LITERALLY hundreds upon hundreds of profiles of women which all follow the same general format: “looking for my travel buddy, looking for someone to go places with, my interests are shopping, travel, must be an adult and respect me, must respect the fact I have a career, give me my space, me me me”…
Okay. They all have their careers, they all have their space, they can all stay “pet mommies” (a deplorable self-identifier that has become popular), but such attitudes are not conducive to a *mutually* selfless, loving, and intimate relationship formed by God. God and the husband are also in the picture, and then children later, and selfishness has no place. It does “take two”.
I have found and become engaged to someone, but I have looked in the US, the Phillipines, Europe, South America, and finally found a godly woman in Uganda.
Another fun fact: America and Europe are viewed as the worst places in the world to find potential spouses. I kid you not, the reason is “potential mates are too self-centered”.
Look at divorce rates. I’m not casting stones in glass houses – my ex had to punch me in the face and head 41 times and falsely accuse me to the police 3 times before I finally stopped trying. I also lost my job because of her actions and rumors. The insane thing is that we were a *single income family*. She destroyed everything because “marriage is too hard, I want a divorce”.
Please don’t put everything on the men. Marriages are like peace and war: peace takes two, but war only requires one.
As for how all of this ties into the discussion, my main point is that there is a creeping desperation and sense of despair which will certainly play into the rise of “digital families”, especially when combined with being given over to a debased mind and total selfishness.
Remember the part where Catriona Campbell says you can turn the digital “children” off? Forget changing diapers, spending money, getting clothing, burping, waking up every two or three hours around the clock for a year, etc.
That’s their whole shtick, the whole appeal: selfishness!
Oh, Metaverse forbid anyone should have to exert themselves on raising actual children! That would be HARD, don’tcha know? And anything that imposes on self cannot be tolerated in their worldview.
Do anything, devoid of consequences.
That’s the goal. That’s the lying promise. “You shall be as God”, and fulfill all of your desires!
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Great point Andy and I am in agreement that it’s not just men who bear the blame for the precipitous decline in morality and family-friendly values.
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Large numbers of Gen X men didn’t want families. More men than women of my age left church to drink and play around.
The Playboy culture contributed to unchaste singleness as well as Second Wave feminism.
But the evangelical church goers blame this epidemic of singleness entirely on feminism. AKA all single women who “refused to fulfill their God given role as Trad SAHMs and fulfill the most important biblical mandate in Genesis 3 by being fruitful and multiplying lots and lots of offspring.”
It can’t be that there just weren’t enough Christian men to go around. Instead call us all Jezebels/CEOs/radical feminists and blame all western single women (not men) for everything wrong with our culture. And we’re only alone because we’re “too picky” of course. Along with all the other sins I listed that just about every Christian speaker accuses all childless single women of committing.
(Too many Christians refuse to make any distinction between celibates and unmarried libertines. There is a BIG difference. It stinks to be the former and get accused of being the latter.)
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Protestant Christianity generally does not tolerate singleness well. Singles (celibates, not the unattached libertines) are often treated as a dysfunctional person, which is unfortunate. By contrast, the Catholics and Orthodox value their celibate singles and a good number become monks and nuns performing many kinds of valuable works for the Church. Their main job is to pray for the world continuously (not an easy task). As most monastics live in a community (usually committing to stay in one community for life—like a marriage), they have many of the same difficulties in living together peacefully as do married folk. So they must work at peaceful, cooperative and forgiving relationships as married folks must (or should). Together the community are committed to help their fellow monastics work out their salvation in Christ.
It is similarly in marriage, or should be. Married life is naturally difficult, especially as our world encourages everyone to go their separate ways and do their own thing, regardless of married state. The do-your-own-thing tone of the marriage is set right at the wedding. Western weddings, for instance, usually have scant connection to the sacred as most weddings are highly personalized and entertaining, ad hoc designed ceremonies. These bear almost no resemblance to the archetypal “Marriage Feast of the Lamb” of Revelation that earthy Christian weddings should reflect. Mostly it’s now a very personalized secular exercise using a church building as the back drop. Sometimes even eliminating the church.
So that’s where we are as a Christian culture—on significant occasions everyone makes it up as we go along because we lost the sense of what to do with the sacred in our relationships, the result being that we all pulling apart from each other and from God. No commitment to work out our salvation through a lifetime of marriage. What holds men and women together anymore when there is no sacrificial love between them?Men and women both are at fault. We are turning instead to the virtual, the selfish world of illusion and delusion to assuage our aloneness and we will end up with nothing but a hell of loneliness.
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Well said Kayjae. You speak many truths here, many of which are hard truths for modern-day Americans.
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We are more numerous than ever. Protestant churches don’t know what to do with us. I believe we are an embarrassment somehow for being pious and not getting rewarded with earthly families.
Involuntarily single Christians threaten their rose-tinted view of the world.
The marrieds in our churches run everything and singles are seen as leading spiritually inferior lives because God judged us unfit for marriage and parenthood. We can still make it into Heaven, but celibates can’t please God or serve Him the way those with families do. Kind of the reverse of Catholic and Orthodox.
Despite this focus on matrimony and family, divorce remains a really big problem.
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Rachel,
It sounds like you’re hurting as I was. As I said: it takes two. There aren’t many people of either gender worth marrying in America anymore that aren’t either already taken or determined to remain single.
I obviously (or at least I hope it is obvious) wasn’t looking at men. But I do believe you would have a similar experience to mine if you had been doing online dating.
I was not broad-brushing people, I was objecting to it. But the problem of selfishness is widespread in BOTH sexes.
And no, it’s not just online dating. Some of the worst women I have met have been in churches.
If you are celibate but were falsely accused of being licentious, you have my sympathy. My ex-wife beat me 41 times and called the police to try and get me thrown in jail 3 times. A woman at work had falsely accused me and 4 other men of sexual assault in only 2 years, when she hadn’t even met us before. All claims proven false, but all the men fired or reassigned.
But it goes both ways. The chief scientist in the division I work for in the Air Force had an affair with one of my friend’s wives, she divorced her husband (my friend), and then the chief scientist had him fired to cover it up. Having an affair is ostensibly a firable offense in the Air Force and for civilian contractors as well, but there is no justice anymore.
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Significantly the Japanese, with their collapsing birth rate, have pioneered “virtual” people with their robotics, near life-like sex dolls, metaverses and the like. Wonder why the Japanese of this generation are committing what amounts to national suicide as few of their young want to get married and have children. The West is not far behind. Something psychologically and spiritually wrong has been going on since WWII.
Looks like virtual people will also replace pets (today often a substitute for children but these high protein eaters will not be allowed in the Great Reset as these are also classed as “useless eaters”.) So unless this depopulating attitude can be turned around, and all life valued again, marriages and children seen again as a blessing, expect an empty world eventually.
So whether one is single or married, foster life where you find it and teach children especially to recognize and resist the false imitation of it that is a temptation to so many.
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It won’t last long.
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Let’s take this a step further.
https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/yearsandyears
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Sorry I pressed the link for the BBC video “I’m transhuman I’m going to become digital ” thinking that it would just show that video only. I’m not familiar with the other videos.
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Hello Leo Sorry for the confusion . Here’s what I hope will turn out to be a more direct link, in which case you could delete the previous link.
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Disturbing.. Is that an Irish name.. Republic of… Catriona.. Hmmm
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I foresee a Children of Men future even if the technocracy collapses. Why Christ will have to return soon.
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Good reference, Rachel, but it would be worse than that.
“And unless those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved; but for the elect’s sake, those days shall be shortened.”
-Matthew 24:22
“If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them.”
-Mark 13:20
I’m thinking the “digital children” would be the only things left if God didn’t intervene… until the batteries ran out.
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Hello Andy
I believe the term “no flesh should be saved:” is referring to God’s elect. The coming of Christ, brings to an end the affliction of His people.
The great tribulation is the tribulation of God’s people. It is a time of huge demonic activity where God’s elect will be persecuted for the Christ’s namesake.
I believe that the days which will be shortened are the days of the affliction of God’s people which is also described in Mat 24 as the ‘great tribulation’.
Mark 20 is best understood in the context of verse 19
“19For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
20And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. ” (Mark 13:19-20)
“Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.” (Mat 24:9)
I personally believe that the great tribulation for the saints will be the demonic ‘new age’ which ‘new agers’ are predicting will follow the current crises.
In 2nd Thessalonians 2 Paul says that before the rapture the apostasy must happen and that a great delusion will be sent to deceive the unbelievers whereupon the man of sin will be revealed sitting in the holy place.
The unbelievers will be getting on with their lives Just as it was int the days of Noah, they will be unaware of the wrath to come which will happen after the great tribulation.
Immediately after the great tribulation Christ will return and will rapture his saints whereupon God will begin to destroy the earth and will pour out his wrath on the unbelievers.
So, Christ’s intervention is not for the sake of the unbelievers who are in fact, going to suffer the wrath of God which starts when Christ returns.
This comment is just my opinion based on my understanding of the scriptures.
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So, you don’t believe the globalists will play a role in the “Great Tribulation”? That their version of the Beast System will fail to be replaced by another? You think they will be defeated somehow?
This is not an attempt at straw manning or an angry challenge. I’m just asking for clarification on your position.
I have my own theories which are quite likely false (in part at least.) Just waiting to see what God has in store.
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@ Rachel Nichols October 3, 2022 at 8:24 pm
Hello Rachel
I actually DO believe that the globalists have a role to play in the great tribulation. But I believe their current role will evolve with the changes to come.
Here is what I think will happen;
There are two beasts mentioned in Rev 13 each with his own role to play. I believe that each of these beasts will have a system which will be served by the globalist puppets.
The 1st beast primarily uses a political and military system to dominate the world and to persecute the saints.
The 2nd beast primarily uses a spiritual system to dominate the world.
The globalists are paving the way for the 1st beast system right now. I believe that the 1st beast will use this system and the globalists puppets to establish a political and military regime which will enforce a strict regime of compliance to his edicts.
The religious groups are paving the way for the 2nd beast who will deceive those that dwell on the earth. He will do great wonders and miracles including bringing fire down from heaven and giving life to an image so that the image should speak.
The globalists operate in many ways and in many areas of influence but for the purpose of this discussion I am focussing on the political and the religious.
Globalist’ political leaders are already lining up to serve the 1st beast and are creating a world political ‘beast system’. This requires breaking down the old political system. To do this they are using war, food and energy shortages and disease.
I believe that the 1st beast will use the ‘new world order’ to dominate the nations in preparation for the second beast. He will be in power for “forty and two months” whereupon he will subdue the nations and will then hand over to the 2nd beast
‘Globalist’ apostate religious leaders are lining up to serve the 2nd beast and are setting up a religious ‘beast system’ which will be a merger of apostate Jewish, Christian and Moslem institutions plus the new age religions which are already being incorporated into the apostate Christian church.
I believe that the religious beast system will be headed by the Roman Catholic church. It will not be a true Christian church. It will be a universal church which is what the word ‘catholic’ means.
I believe that this is the apostasy which Paul is referring to in 2nd Thessalonians 2. The man of sin will use this Global institution to rule over those who dwell on the earth.
The reign of the 1st beast is “forty and two months” which shows that he does not represent the great tribulation because nobody knows how long the great tribulation will last.
It is the SECOND beast who presides over the great tribulation, in my opinion.
Jesus says that the ‘great tribulation’ will be a time of huge deception and demonic manifestations that would deceive even the elect if that were possible.
I see a strong correlation between Christ’s description of the ‘great tribulation’ and the description of the 2nd beast who will deceive those that dwell on the earth and who will do great wonders and miracles including bringing fire down from heaven and giving life to an image so that the image should speak.
I also see a strong correlation between the FIRST beast and the wars, famine and pestilences which Jesus says will precede the great tribulation.
These are just my opinions based on what I’ve read in the bible.
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Hi Anthony. Thanks for breaking this down for our readers. I agree with most (not all) of what you said, especially with your analysis of the first beast, and I think my writings reflect as much. I have one question for you. Do you think there’s a possibility that this “image” that is given life-like qualities and the ability to speak could be powered by AI and/or machine learning?
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