Digital vaccine passports: How to fight back and win!

Private corporations are working hand in glove with state and local governments to quietly implement digital vaccine passports, forcing Americans to show their papers before they can attend universities, board airlines, or enter libraries, hotels, cruise ships, sports arenas and eventually almost every type of business that deals with the public.

Rutgers University, Boston University and Notre Dame are among the institutions of higher learning that have already announced they will require students to show proof of vaccination against COVID before they can return to school in the fall.

On March 26 the state of New York rolled out its Excelsior Pass system, developed in cooperation with IBM, for certain large-gathering events including sports, theaters, concert halls and other venues.

Health officials in Orange County, California, announced a digital passport that “enables individuals to participate safely and with peace of mind in activities that involve interactions with other people, including travel, attractions, conferences/meetings, concerts, sports, school and more.”

But it’s not just happening in big cities and major population centers in progressive “blue” states.

The town of Kongiganak, Alaska, is demanding that people be fully vaccinated before they can go shopping inside stores. Even the local gym is closed to anyone who is not fully vaccinated, reported Alaska Public Media (APM).

Harvey Paul, general manager of a local store, told APM his store is only allowing four people in at a time. Paul said his employees verify a customer is good to enter by checking their name against a list of vaccinated individuals that is updated every three days or so.

The U.K. is set to roll out its vaccine passport next week, joining Israel as the first two nations in the free world to require their citizens to “show your papers” to perform basic functions like buy food, enter a pub, a library, a sports arena or theater.

The question is, can the momentum toward vaccine passports be stopped in America?

The answer is yes but it will take courage to confidently stand up and say “no.”

A Georgia man who works at a major corporation in the Atlanta area told me he is taking no chances. When he started hearing rumblings that his employer might require the vaccine, he decided to take a preemptive approach, putting the company on notice that if it should ever require a vaccine as a condition of his employment, he won’t comply.

“I told my boss, you will have to fire me and then you will need to lawyer up because I will sue the company.”

The mainstream media, as evident in this article by NBC News, is already trying to plant seeds of doubt in the minds of Americans, indicating that they will be powerless to reject the vaccines should they be required by an employer or other private company they do business with. As a vaccine rejecter, they want you to feel helpless and alone, as though you are the only one in the world who refuses to comply.

What the media won’t report is that people are fighting, and winning, against the un-American vaccine Nazis.

Mat Staver, chairman and founder of the Orlando, Fla.-based Liberty Counsel, a public interest law firm specializing in constitutional issues that affect faith, freedom and the family, has already scored some early victories for his clients.

“Digital health or vaccine passports along with tracking and tracing apps present a serious threat to freedom,” Staver said. “Vaccine passports and tracking apps are about collecting data and control. COVID is being used to advance this dangerous threat to freedom. We must never accept vaccine passports or tracking apps as the new normal.”

Staver told me that people must recognize that, contrary to what they will read in the media, digital health passports and tracking apps were unprecedented in the free world until Israel became the first nation to implement them. He believes they represent a serious threat to all manner of previously taken-for-granted rights and freedoms. As such, they should be treated as a back-door assault on Western values, including your freedom of movement, your civil rights to have equal access to public accommodations, and your own bodily autonomy.

“This is becoming a bigger issue every day,” said Staver in a recent phone interview. “This involves access to basic functions of society and your rights to move about in society.”

On March 16, the dean of the Louisiana State University School of Dentistry sent out a directive that COVID vaccines would be mandatory for all returning students, teachers and staff. Non-compliance would result in the student’s inability to complete coursework requirements and graduate. A group of students, desperate for help, reached out to Staver’s organization.

“We sent a demand letter and they reversed their decision,” he said.

Liberty Counsel’s letter dated March 19 to Dean Robert Laughlin stated the mandate was a “violation of fundamental individual, economic and religious liberties. These include the rights of personal autonomy and bodily integrity, and the right to accept or reject the various COVID vaccines based on religious belief.”

The Glenview, Illinois, Board of Education tried the same heavy-handed tactic, sending a memo to all staff and employees stating they must get the COVID injection by April 30 “as a condition of continued employment.”

Like LSU, the school district reversed course within days of receiving a demand letter from Liberty Counsel on behalf of several school employees. Staver said the school district was violating not only federal law requiring informed consent of any unapproved medical treatment, but also state law, which guarantees people the option of rejecting any vaccine if it violates their religious conscience. A total of 45 states have similar religious-exemption laws on the books. He said all states allow for medical opt-outs so anyone who has had a previous stroke, blood clot, auto-immune condition or suffered from seizures could get a medical exemption because these are known side effects of the vaccines.

Then there’s the issue of fertility and pregnant and nursing mothers.

“We are also working with another student, a nursing student in Virginia,” Staver said. “She is pregnant and a student at a community college, and she refuses to get the vaccine because of what she’s read about the potential for these vaccines to cause miscarriages. She’s already in her clinicals and now can’t finish her degree in nursing due to this new policy.”

Staver said many young people are also worried about the potential for sterilization.

“There is a body of research that have raised serious concerns because COVID itself has been known to cause some concern about miscarriage [and lowering of sperm count in men] and the problem with the injection is it doesn’t go away like the disease itself. It stays there in your body forever.”

Staver said federal HIPAA and ADA [Americans with Disabilities Act] issues related to privacy are being trampled upon by corporations practicing vaccine blackmail, whether targeting their employees or customers.

“Your employer doesn’t have a right to invade your medical privacy under the EEOC Title 7 employment law, and also OSHA came out and said there’s no evidence the vaccine prohibits transmission of the virus. You also have rights that could be applicable under the Public Accommodations section of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.”

The other issue is the Emergency Use Authorization law, or EAU status, under which the vaccines were released to market.

“These vaccines have never been licensed by the Food and Drug Administration [FDA], they only have EUA, so federal law requires for all EUA treatments that you need full informed consent to administer them to anybody, you cannot coerce anyone to have the drug or shot,” Staver said. “They are only authorized because of a declared emergency. And there’s a lack of data to know the effects of these injections beyond a couple of months. So any of these companies or employers trying to force people as a condition to enter their facilities are violating federal law. They likely are violating state laws in many cases as well.”

John Whitehead, another constitutional attorney and founder of the Charlottesville, Va.-based Rutherford Institute, said he has been representing clients on vaccine-related issues as well.

“To force someone to take a vaccine against their religious beliefs would in my opinion violate the Constitution.

People fighting forced or coerced vaccines based on religious conviction should have a good case to fight in the courts, Whitehead said.

“Also, people should be pre-screened for COVID infections before they’re given this, because if they have the infection in their body, it causes certain genes to activate the immune system in a powerful way [which can cause seriously harmful health conditions up to and including death],” Whitehead said.

He also sees a red flag in last week’s announcement by Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla saying people will need a third vaccine dose.

“So, if they say you need a third dose, when they initially said there were only going to be two, then they are caught not giving people accurate information. We’re defending a couple of defendants canceled from Instagram, including Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s Children’s Health Defense Fund, and the only way to have a free society is to fulfill society’s need to hear all points of view, otherwise you’re not a free people if only one viewpoint is allowed. Everybody needs to hear both sides before they can make an informed decision, so before they declare this is required they need to establish a commission made up of people with different viewpoints and air out all of the arguments.

“The pharmaceutical industry is very powerful,” Whitehead continued. “They donate to political candidates. And they get this big vaccine contract. The point is, with all we’re seeing in America, basically they’re taking free will away from the American people. Mainstream media is pouring this stuff out as if it’s all facts. But now we have them on record saying one month you will need two doses and the next month it’s three. What’s the deal?”

Here’s the deal:

They went from no masks required because they don’t work [Fauci in February 2020], to masks being essential, then two masks are better than one.

They went from two vaccine doses to three to “possibly one every year.”

They went from keep the borders open to closing the borders to opening them back up.

They went from “asymptomatic people are super spreaders” to asymptomatics rarely spread the virus.

They went from sanitize everything that comes into your house, to the virus “only lives on hard surfaces for a short time.”

What is the truth? If your only source of information is the government and the mainstream media, you would be thoroughly confused. Social media has also shut down alternative viewpoints on COVID and the vaccines.

Challenging the vaccine passports on the basis that the vaccines are experimental is another legal option.

“That’s a tough one, because you have a society that is only given one point of view,” Whitehead said. “But are these vaccines experimental? Yes I think you could argue that in a courtroom.”

And that’s where the Nuremberg Codes of 1947 come into play. Would this international law established in the wake of World War II and the Nazi medical experiments be recognized in U.S. courts?

It’s a possibility if you can actually get a judge to say it’s an experimental drug,” Whitehead said. “And it’s going to be difficult. Because the government is going to line up every doctor they can find who will say it’s a good and safe product,” Whitehead said.

The flip side is that you can find just as many scientists who would disagree with the government’s scientists.

Conduct a simple Google search and you will only find one side of the argument represented. You will not find the dark side of the vaccines or the word “experimental” anywhere linked to the COVID injections.  

Whitehead said lobbyists are embedded everywhere in Washington, D.C.  Many FDA officials were former executives in the pharmaceutical industry with conflicts of interest.

“And the pharmaceutical industry has converged with the mainstream media to manipulate public opinion,” he said. “Because they have a different view. Free speech is hanging at the gallows right now.

“Unless we the people get our acts together.”

Staver says the idea of saddling Americans with health passports of any kind is bigger than just COVID or even vaccines.

Once such a system is in place, more personal data will inevitably be added to the app on your phone, or the chip that eventually gets placed under your skin.

Today it is COVID. Tomorrow, other add-ons come with a simple click. A Chinese-lookalike system of “social scoring” is being implemented against some businesses in America. It is called the “ESG Score” or “ESG Rating,” which is a number or letter grade given to a company based on how a certain perspective views their environmental, social and governmental impact.

Former Democrat presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg’s “Bloomberg ESG Data Services” already has profiles on more than 11,000 businesses!

China already uses a social score for every person. It tracks everything from how many steps you take each day to what you buy, who you hang out with and if you go to church. The algorithm decides what car you may buy, what apartment you may live in and what travel tickets you may purchase. It even has a special ringtone when someone calls a person on the government’s blacklist so their friends can pressure that person to take whatever action the communist government wants.

Right now, nine states totally controlled by Republicans have not introduced a single bill in their state legislatures to ban vaccine passports, nor have the governors of those states issued executive orders banning vaccine passports.

These states include Georgia, Indiana, Mississippi, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Utah and West Virginia.

Truth be told, this was never about your health. It was always about gaining control over human populations and launching the Great Reset. But they can never control you unless you submit.

In her article, “The End of America?,” author Naomi Wolf writes “The new biofascism in the West, very much driven by Big Tech leaders, and soon to be exploited by our enemies geopolitically, is a war against free human beings and against the qualities that make us human. But this time we do not just face a war on freedom. This time we face a war on human beings, and on all that makes us human.”

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Below is a state-by-state review of vaccine-passport developments

South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem on April 21 became the latest governor to issue an executive order banning vaccine passports in her state, following governors Doug Ducey of Arizona, Ron DeSantis in Florida, Greg Abbott of Texas and Greg Gianforte in Montana.

Noem said, “Since the start of the COVID pandemic, we have provided the people of South Dakota with up-to-date science, facts, and data and then trusted them to exercise their personal responsibility to make the best decisions for themselves and their loved ones. We’ve resisted government mandates, and our state is stronger for it…We are not going to restrict South Dakotans’ exercise of their freedoms with un-American policies like vaccine passports. In our state, ‘Under God, the people rule.’ And that is how we will operate for as long as I am governor.”

Arizona Rep. Andy Biggs introduced legislation called the “No Vaccine Passports Act,” that would prohibit federal authorities from future issuance of any standardized documentation that could be used to certify COVID-19 vaccination status to third parties, like airlines or restaurants, and also prohibit proof of COVID-19 vaccination from being a requirement to access federal or congressional property and services.

“My private healthcare decisions—and yours—are nobody else’s business,” Biggs said. “Vaccine passports will not help our nation recover from COVID-19, instead, they will simply impose more Big Brother surveillance on our society.”

In Idaho, Gov. Brad Little signed an executive order banning any state governmental entity from requiring vaccine passports for citizens to receive public services or access facilities. Corporations could still implement vaccine passports on private property under Little’s order.

In Utah, a new law blocks the government from requiring people to get COVID-19 vaccines, but companies can use vaccine passports to determine who has been inoculated. The state Legislature passed the measure and Gov. Spencer Cox signed it.

The Tennessee Senate passed a bill which bans vaccine passports on a state level and would also take away public health powers from county boards of health. If the bill makes it through the state House, it will depend on the governor to sign it into law. Gov. Bill Lee has expressed his disapproval for vaccine passports, stating: “I oppose vaccine passports. The COVID-19 vaccine should be a personal health choice, not a government requirement…I am supporting legislation to prohibit any government-mandated vaccine passports to protect the privacy of Tennesseans’ health information and ensure this vaccine remains a voluntary, personal decision.”

In Kansas, Democratic Gov. Laura Kelly said, “We will not be issuing those under my authority, for sure, and we have a lot of other things to deal with—things that will make a difference in people’s safety and health.”

While there is currently no legislative effort to ban vaccine passports in Kansas, members of the state legislature have proposed a resolution urging the adoption of a “COVID-19 Vaccine Bill of Rights,” which would strip a state license from interstate transportation companies, such as airlines, if they require travelers to be vaccinated.

Missouri Gov. Mike Parson said, “I do NOT support a vaccine passport and have no intention of implementing one in the State of Missouri…We’re never gonna do that in the state of Missouri. We’re never gonna have a mandate, a vaccine passport in this state. If people want to carry a card that’s fine. That’s called freedom, it’s called individual rights. But it’s not government’s place to do that.” He did not address private corporations requiring the passports for employees or customers.

Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp voiced his disapproval of the passports, saying, “I do not and will not support any kind of state-mandated vaccine passport. While the development of multiple safe, highly effective COVID-19 vaccines has been a scientific miracle, the decision to receive the vaccine should be left up to each individual.” But so far Kemp has taken no action.

An Alabama House committee approved a bill that would prevent public and private agencies from denying services to individuals based on their vaccination status. The measure, SB 267, passed the House Health Committee Wednesday morning with little debate. The legislation heads to the House for further consideration. It passed the Senate on April 8.

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44 thoughts on “Digital vaccine passports: How to fight back and win!”

  1. No doubt there are plenty of civil rights lawyers salivating over the chance to stick it to companies who try to force their employees to vaccinate. Fortunately, I won’t have that problem but my roommate, who’s worked for the same company for 25+ years, is ready. I don’t think it will happen, but if it does he’s ready to fire back at them!

    But the article is right in there are more of “us” than the media wants people to think. I keep running into people who are adamant about not getting the “gene therapy” shot. I don’t believe in coincidences so I have to think that we are being put in each other’s path for a very good reason…

    Additionally, the few friends who have received the GT shot and have asked if I plan to get one, when I say no they are sheepish in their reply. Most have indicated they know a number of acquaintances/friends who are refusing, as well. Those that get themselves in the paper or on TV proudly announcing they’ve been vaccinated – then turn around and vilify US – are over-compensating. Inside, I think they have doubts but won’t admit it.

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  2. we havent got that far in the uk with mandatory vaccine passports yet( at big events LF tests are accepted) though to go abroad at the moment to most places you will need one,PM Johnson has said he’s not if favour but then he is a serial liar

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    1. If, as many of us believe, digital mandatory vaccine passports are coming then, truly no matter what BJ says now is not engraved in stone and it will happen. I know, I am a missionary in southern Europe and I would love to visit my family in the UK, from whence I come but, our trip was booked for April 2020 and you can guess what happened. It would have been the first time we had been there in four years – it takes that long to save up. Now we will never see our family and friends again because the vast majority of us will not be having the experimental treatment, having no desire to be lab rats or guinea pigs.

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    1. Thank you Lisa, it is much appreciated, especially as my beloved and I afre in our late 70s and so, sometimes, feel vulnerable. However we will NOT take that which is being offered as a ‘vaccine’!
      The main thing I am concerned about is that I will become so used to never socially interacting with anybody other than my husband that, should the opportunity come, I will resent it!

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  3. Hello Leo, Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! Sharing this one too and even to our State Sen to get a bill going to prohibit the Covid vaccine passports in our State. Stay strong God bless you.Sharon and Don Gricol 

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  4. Do not allow passport vaccine !!! God gave us our bodies, not the government. !!! they are our own and the government has absolutely no right to mandate what we have to put in it. you will be responsible for mandating this !!shame you on you.

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  5. How do you fight MORONS? The truth is you don’t. You just IGNORE them and their ideas lest you become as STUPID as them.

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    1. This is going to become a fight – and the shepherds at the top are sociopaths – not caring whether people live, die, lose their livelihoods, etc. That they don’t value absolute truth is also quite evident…

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  6. Won’t let you in without the vax? Then don’t let anyone in. Seems sensible response would be to block driveways or entrances.

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  7. Leo, how would you recommend getting your articles out to the public? Does anyone care or are they just going to go along with the Liberal agenda. Also, any thoughts on joining AMAC–the alternative to AARP?

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    1. I have posted Leo’s articles on the comments section of the UK broadsheet The Times but, alas, they do not stay there for long!

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  8. This is one of the best articles I have read in a looooong time. I’m passing it on to most people I know.
    It covers the whole agenda in a very easy and understanable way.
    Thank you 👍🏻

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  9. I thank God that He is my Saviour because right at this moment I could be terrified, mainly because I live in Cyprus, I speak very little Greek and, for all I know, they just might introduce a ‘vaccine passport’ and I will NOT have the vaccine. My beloved and I have already been offered it and told them “not at this time, thank you.” I have no idea if there is any organisation on this island which is opposed to what is going on. For all I know my beloved and I, aged 77 and 78 could end up being confined to our ground floor flat and will never be permitted to leave it, having all our shopping delivered to us. The thought horrifies me, please pray for us, we have been here for nine years because God called us here – we are not into sun, sea and sand, which is why most people come here, but to date we have not found any born-again, Bible-believing, Spirit-filled Christians who are sold out for Jesus anywhere, so we are very alone. We feel rather like people in the early church must have felt see Acts 2:47. We know people look up to us but God forbid they should reach out a hand of friendship! Their priests would not permit it! Oh, by the way, today is my birthday and, already, I have had to go to the dentist! Happy days, Maranatha!

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      1. Bless you sweetheart, thank you so much. On Monday Cyprus goes into total lockdown, we will only be allowed out of our dwellings once a day, there will be a curfew from 9pm to 6am. Most people will have to text for permission to leave their house and they will have to have a valid reason. Thank goodness the wrinklies are allowed to self-certify. However, we are now becoming quite militant, I can only thank God that our generation were encouraged (at least in the UK) to read! Something I love to do, and I am, therefore, doing a lot of it! But it will mean the only people we will be able to speak to will be those on the checkout when we do our weekly shop. This is so ludicrous and, actually, completely unscientific, apart from being unhealthy, how people cope who do not have a relationship with Jesus is utterly beyond me. I am not saying the virus does not exist but the reaction to it has brought so much harm, so much distress, so many children have lost education time, so many people have lost their jobs, so many people have lost their businesses, so many are suicidal and the statistics for suicide in the last 12 months are horrifying. There are also people dying, needlessly, because they are frightened to go to a hospital. There are people in need of cancer treatment but everything is geared towards anybody suffering from the virus so more people die. But, hey, don’t worry the number of people who die will be able to pad out the figures of those who have died solely because of the virus. What gets me is how many people truly believe all the total lies they are being fed. They seem to be totally incapable of any kind of critical thinking at all. Control, manipulation and domination are the order of the day. Thank God Jesus warned us how it would be just prior to the Tribulation and the first thing He said, and the writers of the epistles when addressing this period of time said was BE ON THE ALERT WATCH OUT YOU ARE NOT DECEIVED. Praise God Jesus is coming for us soon. Maranatha.

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    1. Hi it must be hard being alone in your Christian faith from other believers but I know you are not alone because I wouldnt be writing you right now if it hadden been for God telling me to Jesus say told me he is with you both and do not be afraid because not matter what happens no one can harm a believers soul in Jesus I will pray for you and know that God is with your always no matter what is happening keep in Gods word for it is the only truth in and out of this world. I will provide for you both be strong in him and never give up because Jesus has already overcome the world. and you are lights because he shines through you and he is for you . I hope you are blessed and i know God will provide all your needs and more. I know there is a time coming soon when Jesus will reveal his master plan to all and i know heaven is our real home in this world were just passing through but in heaven we will live permantley with the LORD forever. Amen !!

      Sincerely Stephanie

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      1. Bless you Stephanie, that is so kind of you. I really appreciate your thoughts. The Lord told my husband over 40 years ago through discussing eschatology with some friends when we lived in the UK that he would be alive when Jesus takes us home and as he is now nearly 77 we cannot have much longer to go. I still keep praying that we will meet born-again, bible-believing, Spirit-filed, English-speaking Christians on this island but, after 9+ years, we have met some Christians but not one of them fits into that criteria, in fact living in Paphos, which is where most of the Brits live, became impossible because of the Brits and their arrogance about their possessions – and we only ever knew ‘Christians’ when we lived there! Now we live amid the Cypriots which is a lot nicer, except, of course, we cannot interact socially the way we used to.

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    2. Hello Julia,

      I am writing to you from New Zealand. Our country is slowly building toward the vaccine passport written about. I like yourself and your beloved husband will not be getting onboard re the vaccine. I have read your words over and over with a joy in my heart. You make me so proud to be a born again believer in our Lord Jesus Christ. Keep standing firm, keep supporting each other and just know we have the most important knowledge of all, the truth and the seal of redemption within us. Trust like never before in our Lord’s promises.
      Be encouraged.

      Romans 15:13
      God bless,
      David

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      1. Aah that has brought tears to my eyes, thank you so much and to add to it, my name before marriage was Julia Jane Johnston – note without the ‘e’ but with the ‘t’ just as your surname is spelled! And as I read the scripture the tears overflowed, I am now taking my laptop to show my husband what you have said. See you there or in the air – as they say! Maranatha!

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  10. I wish people would resist but most are so weak they won’t even take off their masks. These compliant obedient dim wits will be the nails in everyone’s coffin. All it takes is some pushback. All the twats who took the jab will proudly beg for their passports and just like those ridiculous dirty filthy slave masks they proudly wear to save others 😂 the twats will shake their heads in disbelief and attack those who won’t comply. I don’t care anymore if their jabs take them out they are just zombies anyway.

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    1. Indeed – if some people are so intent on listening to the main stream media and following their orders, then they are already lost — the big tech shepherds will find, in them, willing sheep – to lead to the slaughter.

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    2. Do you really know the meaning of the 38th word in your post? Surely you cannot know it. It is absolutely filthy and I am appalled that any normal conservative human being would think otherwise. I am no snowflake being 78 years of age but filthy language is never acceptable.

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      1. I believe Randy is referring to the second definition of the word.
        twat [twät]
        NOUN
        vulgar slang or
        a person regarded as stupid or obnoxious. in British English slang, a way to call someone as stupid, useless, or otherwise contemptible person.
        That is what I thought he meant. There was nothing in his comment that would lead me to think anything else.

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      2. Why are you repeating this, it is a filthy word and remains a filthy word whatever modern society says about it. Please have a little more respect and concern for your fellow believers, if we are your fellow believers. By the way I chose not to read all that you wrote, seeing the word was enough. You can provide no earthly justification for being so insensitve and rude.

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    3. Randy, I am quite concerned by the way that you have denigrated other human beings. We are all made in God’s image and such language is not a positive witness to the Lord, some of it is quite offensive. I hope that you used it unaware of the offence that it can be?

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  11. The descriptions of the “no vaccine passport” rules some of the States are implementing do not go far enough. The rule or law has to say something on the order of: “No business, organization, or government agency may deny services to anyone based on their vaccine status.”

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    1. Absolutely. And anyone who gets challenged to provide a passport needs to IMMEDIATELY SUE the demanding organization as it is a direct violation of HIPPA law!

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  12. I bet the businesses demanding the “vaccine” papers are part of the WEF.
    If a bunch of us are too disabled or sick to work that will bring on the reset even faster.
    They seem to be causing more chronic disability than death so far.
    It’s saddening how little discernment or courage Christians are showing in the face of this.

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  13. Thank you for this encouraging valuable information Leo. I will share it wherever I can. Honest American Journalists are difficult to find. Thankfully I can depend upon your investigation and accuracy. God bless Patriot.

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